How to sharpen a GB Small Forest Axe Head.

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I have been using my Gransford Bruk's Small Forest Axe for a few days, and although it is not very dull, I want to practice putting an edge on it.

It is a convex edge, so I am assuming that I can sharpen it the same way I sharpen my convex blades. Strop it on a slightly flexible leather surface covered in grits of wet/dry and then finish on black then green compounds.

What do you think? Is this fine, or should I get a sharpening puck?


TF
 
Don't use a puck. They are cheap and have no polishing grits. One side is rough, around 80 grit equivilant, and the other side (fine) is about 120 grit. Your GB axe is capable or taking a much more polished edge than the puck can deliver. Not to mention you don't want to use a flat sharpener like the puck or a stone on a convex edge. If you have a belt sander and a fine belt followed by a polishing belt or a heavily used fine belt that will sharpen the GB axe in just a few seconds per grit. A cheap 1x30in sander can be bought for $25-30 at harbour freight. If you don't have a belt sander then your initial idea of the soft leather/mouse pad and sand paper grits was correct, it just takes a little longer to do it by hand, especially if there are any small dents/rolls in the edge.
 
I would like to do things by hand. It forces me to practice for the field.

I use a fairly stiff leather backing. Magnussen set me on to a different type of convexing - and I can see he is right.


Thanks,

TF
 
He should post up on this - but he uses a solid stone for convexing. He told me to use a very stiff piece of leather and to scrap the mouse pad. This makes the convex edge slightly thinner - but thick enough at the shoulder to have strength.

It has made my knives easier to use and sharper and I have not seen a degradation in edge retention.

I hope he posts up on this. I would love to see his method for sharpening with a solid stone.

TF
 
A strop should work just fine, that's what I use on all of my axes in between heavy sharpening. I use the BRKT gray to raise a burr, then the green to remove the burr. Sometimes (if I'm away from home), if I have a small ding in the edge, I will use my diamond credit card before the gray compound.

If I'm at or near home, I'll just use my belt sander to take the ding out.
 
I just use a plain leather strop on a paint stick when I'm out and about. I have a small piece of sandpaper if it's really gnarly.
 
hi Tal, i have the same ax. I just use 3M wet/dry autobody paper (800, 1000, 2000) and a mouse pad to keep an edge on mine. Sharp enough to shave or make fuzzies, yet it still takes out big chips of wood when chopping/felling. Splits nice thin kindling sticks too.
 
I'll go into a little more depth on the convex edges I do. Nothing new, here. Folks have been doing this for as long as knives have been getting dull. Some of this post was lifted from one I did in another thread.

Any edge can get shaving sharp. A 90Deg edge can be sharpened to pop hairs... but will it cut efficiently?... hell no. It's what comes after the edge that counts. The shoulder and bevels dictate how a blade will perform.

Convex's claim to fame is that it combines less surface friction (next to hollow ground) with the most mass behind the cutting edge, for strength. Most of the time (especially woodcraft), the material you are cutting is only making contact with a small point on the arch of the convex bevel. The more surface area that comes in contact with the material, the higher the chance of binding. Like aero-dynamics in a car, you want to have the least amount of resistance that you can. Simply convexing the edge won't give you superior results either. A steep convex will try to force the material apart, abruptly. There is too much shoulder behind the edge. Sometimes, jumping on a mousepad before you've established good convex geometry, will get poor results. You will still be able to shave and for the most part, slice paper… but it won't be efficient in the field.

A flat "zero" grind or "Scandi" will carve like nobody's business but if you are going to use it for battoning or chopping, you may find it's not strong enough. The steep 30+deg angle of the typical Scandi, also makes it less efficient at slicing. That is a combined angle, btw. Moras are the thinnest at 12.5degs per side = 25deg edge. Most scandis are 15-20degs per side.

A well executed V-grind will work nicely for many applications but IMO, most have too much shoulder, still.

My edges are a mix of three geometries... Flat, Convex and V-grind.

-I forge as close to flat as possible leaving about 3/64" for the heat treat.
-Then I grind the edge to a very shallow convex... actually TOO THIN to retain sharpness in use.
-My final process is putting a micro-bevel on with a stone (up to 8000grt) then I do a final strop with wet newspaper laid across the stone.

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I also use stones to put a full convex on a blade. Its time consuming for large choppers but fairly easy for smaller knives.

I lay the blade down flat to the stone (approximately 600-1000grit) with the edge toward me. I push away from my body the same way you would use a strop. At no time do I ever slide the blade “edge first” down the stone. Toward the end of my stroke I apply a little more pressure at the edge with my fingers. This eventually removes stock to the point where the spine begins to lift… now you’re putting a convex bevel on it. I alternate 10 strokes per side until a burr forms. I move to a finer stone (4000 grit) and repeat the process. After a burr has been establish with the 4000 grit, I raise the spine to about 10-12degrees and strop the burr off. At this point I switch to an even finer stone (8000grit) and strop some more. I’m very light with these strokes and only use the weight of the knife. I glide the edge (under its own weight) down the corner of a piece of wood to remove the burr. Then I lay a piece of wet newsprint across the stone and strop one last time.

Here are some pics of my set-up…. I’ve been meaning to put together a full thread on sharpening. For now this will give you an idea…

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Rick
 
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Thanks for the pics and explanation, Rick. I, too, would like to see a thread on this technique. I'm also amazed at the amount of metal being removed on those waterstones! I normally use Arkansas stones, but have heard many good things about waterstones - so much, that I am thinking of investing in them. Do you have any particular brand and grit to recommend?
 
Do it the way you sharpen your knives. No difference between a hatchet and a knife just more curve to the hatchet.
Scott
 
I sharpen it like Ray , but with a small difference - I use a small sharpening stone (Fallkniven DC-4) and rotate it around the head.I don't move the axe.If that makes sense to you... (it's hard for me to explain it in English)
 
Zombai,

It makes total sense. Move the stone in a circular motion leaving the head stationary.




Rick,

I am glad you explained that to me. To do it with the tools that I have - and knowing that I have knives that already have a convex grind to them. I lay it flat, stop the blade, and then raise the blade up slightly (maybe to 15 degrees) with very firm leather underneath. This is not for all blades I have, but for my full convex blades (not my sabre ground convexes) this establishes a keen edge with a gentle convex. Makes for a very strong convex.


Thanks for explaining that - and sorry if I tossed you to the flames there.

Bushman,

I did this last night except I put a leather piece in place for the mouse pad. Worked GREAT. I am glad I don't have to carry anything else than what I have for my knives too!


TF
 
I just spent an hour or two watching Lonesome Dove (on AMC) and trying out Rick's method with my cheap Arkansas stones. I was able to raise a burr on medium and fine and then with green compound on a leather belt. Very cool and wicked sharp.
 
Awesome bro!...... Now that you've established the geometry, its smooth sailing. If you keep up on routine stropping it'll be a while before you have to hit the stone again.:thumbup:

Rick
 
Red...... Why not? Are axes supposed to be duller than knives for a reason?


Rick
 
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