Howler generations

[Shotgun]

There has been 3 generations of Howlers the latest(3rd) being the LM correct? What's the difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2?

 

[Cutshaw]

The first and second gen, primarily, saw a difference in choil size. I've got a 1st gen... smaller choil. Pictured below.

In addition, there were some variations in the Howler grind in both the first and second - some were saber, some flat. I think there were flat and saber in both the large and small choil. I don't recall the exact lineage, with the grinds, but do a search for 360Joules... he listed them all at one point.

 

[xaman]

PM, what is that with the Thourot mark, second from the top???

 

[Cutshaw]

Eli-

That is one of the original Master Series Dog Skinners. The idea was some production pieces were "finished" by a master bladesmith. In all honesty, it is one of the cleanest Rats I ever received. The micarta edges are polished to a fine luster.

I would really love to see the Dog Skinners return in some configuration. In addition to the Master's Series, there was also an Extravaganza Dog Skinner from the Custom Shop. It had both black and tan micarta alternating on the grip. The grip is contoured similar to, but much thinner than, a mag grip like on a SF or F grip. I had it it Blade - I don't recall whether you saw it or not.

A shot for the grip of the Master's DS...

 

[mike biz]

The 2 HRs shown in the link below are Gen 2. The top is the standard Gen 2 with the deeper choil. The bottom is an HR Gen 2 variant "Sawback" with five serrations. I think it was available at Knob Creek or some other limited run event. I have seen them with 4, 5 and 6 serrations.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4361959#post4361959

 

[Shotgun]

The 2 HRs shown in the link below are Gen 2. The top is the standard Gen 2 with the deeper choil. The bottom is an HR Gen 2 variant "Sawback" with five serrations. I think it was available at Knob Creek or some other limited run event. I have seen them with 4, 5 and 6 serrations.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4361959#post4361959

I saw the razor backs at blade west last year. Thanks for the info guys.

 

[bodhi_]

The ones with serrations are all 2nd gen plus you can also find the bandcutter version. Last but not least, don't forget the colors. You also have a tan version for both generations and if I remember correctly 360Joules mentioned that you had both grind lines in each generation. Common is the saber grind, everything else seems to be pretty rare.

 

[Gravelface]

Lets not leave out the Fat Girls....Howling Fat......1/4 SR 101 goodness. Flat Grind

 

[Cutshaw]

Lets not leave out the Fat Girls....Howling Fat......1/4 SR 101 goodness. Flat Grind

And 2nd gen, big-o choil.

 

[Cutshaw]

PM, what is that with the Thourot mark, second from the top???

XAMAN - The complete (I think) Master Series...

Masters Series

Rattail

Safari Skinner

Dog Skinner

 

[mike biz]

My boy T-dog is on an HR kick of late. He knows A LOT about the HR family. He sent me a list of most of the variations, but I deleted it. Maybe he'll chime in.

 

[Cutshaw]

I still couldn't find the 360joules post I was looking for but...

Courtesy: Pietje010

The first gen:
- black/black
- tan/tan
- custom bead blasted)
The second gen:
- saber grind black/black
- saber grind tan/tan
- full height grinds black/black
- 1/4" thick Howling Fat black/black
- HR Variant "Ridgebacks" 3, 4, 5 and 6 teeth.
The third gen:
- HRLM with micarta handles

Courtesy: 360joules

There have been 3 main generations of Howling Rat.

The first gen:
Notice the smaller choil. These all had a saber grind and there were versions in black, a few tan and the bead blasted one shown on Swamp Shack's Area 51 page. (I really miss that one)

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The second gen:
Had the larger choil. Some were made with a saber grind while a few appeared with full height grinds. Black and very few tans. This generation also includes the Howling Fat, which is 1/4" thick and has a full height grind and the larger choil. All HF's were black.

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[Cutshaw]

Aaaahhh... I found it!

Originally posted by 360joules:
[QB]Hi Bodhi_

Generally, I think that you've covered them all. There are more variations within some of those categories. Here's my list, but I won't get into logo/nonlogo versions.

black, small choil, saber grind
tan, small choil, saber grind
doublecut, small choil, saber grind (seen on SwampShack - Area 51 page (unknown if this was factory.)
black, large choil, saber grind
black, large choil, full height grind
tan, large choil, saber grind
Howling Fat
Howling Rat Custom Shop Serrated (4,5,and 6 serratios)
Howling Rat Custom Shop BandCutter

[/QB]

Hi mogmz,

The most recent batch is full grind and deep choil. Seems the Howling Rats are becoming a bit more collectible as well as usable.

I'm not aware of anybody with all of the variations of Howling Rat. To date, I can count at least seven types.

Saber, Shallow, Black
Saber, Shallow, Tan
Saber, Shallow, Bead Blasted
Saber, Deep, Black
Saber, Deep, Tan
Full, Deep, Black
Full, Deep, Black 1/4"

That doesn't count the variations that came with/without the penetrator tip.

-360

 

[Troy H]

Great posts PM! You are the archive master! :thumbup:

So who's keeping track of the HRLM variations??

 

[Cutshaw]

Great posts PM! You are the archive master! :thumbup:

So who's keeping track of the HRLM variations??

Variations? There have been variations?!

 

[tigerdog]

I got schooled on Just about everything I know about the HR's by the master, Troy.

Here is what I know ( based on what I learned) :

-Black Small Choil Saber Grind (No Logo, but at least one with a prototype Swamp Rat logo floating around.... wonder who has one of those ???? :foot

-Tan Small Choil Saber Grind No Logo

-Tan Large Choil Saber Grind No Logo

-Black Large Choil Saber Grind (With and without logo)

-Black Large Choil Full Flat Grind (With and without logo)

-Howling FAT - Black Full Flat Grind (With and without logo)

-Black Large Choil Saber Grind with serrations ( 3,4,5,6 serrations)

-Black Large Choil Saber Grind with band cutter


Basically , most of what was posted earlier, but I wanted to throw my .02 in as well.

I'm only missing a few to complete my set ... :thumbup:

Anyone else ?????


-Tdog

 

[Troy H]

Sounds like a KILLER COLLECTION. :thumbup:

Got Pics?

 

[mike biz]

Yeah T-Dog, what's up with that. Throw us Rats some cheese with a set photo. Don't be rattin' all that stuff to yourself.

 

[tigerdog]

Here's a little teaser for you......

1st Gen HR with a prototype Swamp Rat logo..... (note the prototype logo is on the right side)

Who's yer Daddy ??? !!!

-Tdog

 

[Troy H]

Ooooh, T-dog!! Niiiiice.