HT costs?

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I just called Peters Heat Treat and they roughly quoted me $110 for 4 to 20 blades. I will have 9 to send so it doesnt matter if its 9 or 20, its a $110 initial charge. Thats probably not including shipping or other possible charges, so at over $12 to $13 per blade is that a decent price? I've heard of people getting HT for $6 a blade? He said it does include the cryogenic process but, I don't know if that's what raises the price or if that's worth it....any suggestions would be great. I'd love to see it around $6 or $7 a blade.
 
Seriously, I consider that a great price. At $13 a blade, you don't have to mess with ANY of it, except boxing it up and shipping it. Consider stainless steels that need cryo for their performance....that alone is worth not having to mess with LN and the like. I believe many custom knife makers here send theirs off because of the overall savings. Try to make the 20 and send them to Brad. Another thing...their heat treating is very consistent and has a high reputation.
 
It is heat treating costs, almost exclusively, that lead me to building a forge and buying an oven, learning to forge simple carbon steels, and learning to do everything 'in-house'.
The savings paid for the upgrade.
 
Well if thats the cost thats the cost. I just heard of people getting the work done for way cheaper but. It will work for what I need to do for now. If I decide to take this to the next level, (which I think I may) I'll look into an electric furnace.
 
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I've never had an outside company do any heat treating so I don't know how they compare but Texas Knifemaker is closer to the price you're looking for.

edit: looks like cryo is extra so add that and it's close to the same although it doesn't look like they have a minimum charge so you would save on lower quantities.
 
If you're looking to see $6/7 per blade from Peters, you'll need to send them 20 at a time. That's what I do, and it's very cost effective. I may be wrong, but I doubt you could heat treat w/ cryo 20 blades any cheaper in your own shop. And they will test and verify the Rc hardness of each blade. The only downside I've found to going this route, is when I'd like to whip out a one-off or prototype. Eventually, I'll move to heat treating in house, but for now because of the economics, it hasn't been a pressing issue.
 
Where are you located? You may be close to someone who HT's. I have a local knife maker that does it for $5 a blade.
 
Where are you located? You may be close to someone who HT's. I have a local knife maker that does it for $5 a blade.

I live in Escanaba Michigan. Home of Bark River, & Rapid River Knives. But I don't know off hand of any heat treaters in particular, but I'm sure someone does it. I just don't know who to call or where to look to find out who does.
 
If you're looking to see $6/7 per blade from Peters, you'll need to send them 20 at a time. That's what I do, and it's very cost effective. I may be wrong, but I doubt you could heat treat w/ cryo 20 blades any cheaper in your own shop. And they will test and verify the Rc hardness of each blade. The only downside I've found to going this route, is when I'd like to whip out a one-off or prototype. Eventually, I'll move to heat treating in house, but for now because of the economics, it hasn't been a pressing issue.

I called them today and they said 4 to 20 knives will be $110. So I don't know if more than 20 would be cheaper but, I'm just starting out. I don't want to have to whip up 40 blanks right away. I'm going to cut all of the steel I have for now, (8 to 10) knives, and go from there.
 
http://www.texasknife.com/vcom/privacy.php#services

I've never had an outside company do any heat treating so I don't know how they compare but Texas Knifemaker is closer to the price you're looking for.

edit: looks like cryo is extra so add that and it's close to the same although it doesn't look like they have a minimum charge so you would save on lower quantities.

I've looked there. Ordered some things from there also, but they only heat treat certain steels. I believe only air quenchable steels and I'm not positive if 1084 or CPM154 are air quenchable or not.
 
$110 is the minimim set up charge for blade of smae/simialr steel which is to say ones with the same austenizing requirements. Lat time i asked, blades above 20 were like $2 per blade.
I called them today and they said 4 to 20 knives will be $110. So I don't know if more than 20 would be cheaper but, I'm just starting out. I don't want to have to whip up 40 blanks right away. I'm going to cut all of the steel I have for now, (8 to 10) knives, and go from there.
 
I'll have to call around locally and see if anyone does it. Would be nice to get it done locally, save on shipping and time. But the person I talked to at Peters wasn't the Brad that everyone says to talk to, and after the quote this other guy gave me told me to call Brad on Monday for further info. So I'll have to call back. In the meantime I should be working on some blanks this weekend....
 
If you're looking to see $6/7 per blade from Peters, you'll need to send them 20 at a time. That's what I do, and it's very cost effective.

Me too. :) Generally it works out to around $8 per blade, including shipping both ways. Plus, cryo and individual Rockwell testing of each blade is included. That right there gives me a lot of peace of mind.

I usually work with fairly complex steels, and there's no way in heck I could deal with them for anywhere near that price in my own shop. The electricity alone would be a deal-breaker, never mind the time, LN, testing, the fact that I can't do 20+ blades at once in a shop kiln, etc. While one batch is on the way to HT and back, I'm working on the next batch.

I've also found that telling clients Peters does my HT actually helps me sell knives. People who are really into this sort of thing have heard of them and their long-standing reputation for quality. You might be surprised to learn how many fairly-big-name makers and manu's have their stuff HT'ed by Peters. Why more of them don't advertise that fact, I don't know. (I'm told the same is true of Bos HT... their reputation is excellent as well, but they don't deal with oil-quenched steels... Peters does, and sometimes I need that.)

Not too long ago, I sent Peters some blades that, unbeknownst to me, had been mislabeled as to steel type*... they realized something wasn't right when they Rc'ed them, let me know, figured out what they really were by use of a fancy x-ray gun thingamabob, and re-heat-treated them appropriately - at no extra charge.

If they hadn't taken the time and care to do all that, I would have been stuck with a bunch of essentially useless blades I couldn't sell, and would have pissed away a lot of labor and belts for nothing. This is my job, and margins are slim - a goof like that could have fouled up my whole month in terms of groceries and the mortgage payment. :eek: What could have been a very expensive disaster that set me back weeks ended up working out just fine... because the Brad and the crew at Peters really know their stuff and care about getting everything just right. That, friends, is a dang good bargain, even at twice the price. :thumbup:

*incidentally, the supplier who sold me that mislabeled steel took very good care of me when I let him know there had been a mistake. That kind of service makes me loyal to certain vendors and service providers. :)
 
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Thanks James. That really actually kind of persuades me. Obviously knife making is not my job, so for you things like this are very important. But even so, you can't go wrong with the best IMO. So I'll just have to call them and make sure I talk to Brad for exact prices. I will only be able to get a max of 10 blades from the steel I have coming in tomorrow, so when I call I'll ask about the quantities. And maybe I'll just order up some more so I have enough for 20+.......

20+ blanks.......lol. It will be months before I actually finish a knife! haha
 
i do all of my own heat treat on carbon steels in my 24 inch Paragon, but when it came time to do some blades in CPM 3V, I wan't going to try that. I sent a batch of 4 to Peters and they came back perfectly done to my specs. The second time, I sent 12 3V blades and like 8 ones of AEB-L. Since the specs I wanted allowed them to austenize at the same temperature, the only difference was in the tempering cycle so they charged me as if all the blades were the same material. They didn't have to do that and that saved me around $90 which was the minimum charge at the time IIRC. Good guys. The funny part is that around second time, they were looking to have a credit card number on file because they had been giving even small time makers 30 days and had gotten burned one time too many, I guess. But that says a lot that they were, at least for a while, willing to treat the little guy just like one of their big customers. The only reason that I would not use Peters is if I wanted to use high temp salts, unless they offer that service now. That is about th only thing they didn't have when I used them back in 2013.
 
Its not cheap to set a good heat treat shop. Kiln,good oil,quench plates,foil, LN or dry ice/acetone plus the time it takes to test your heat treat on each steel. Though I just liked to do it..Things like fooling with hamons. We(lisa now) heat treat our own stainless and higher alloy carbon steels like 3v. It cost money but we have the heat treat down so we get exactly what we want every time..
I can sure see why some makers use a heat treating service like Peters though..Especially after all the time and money it took to get our heat treat shop to the level it is..
 
I have owned my Paragon since like 2007 with nary a hiccup, but I am almost afraid to try to take it up over 2000F even though I know it is designed for those heats. I am convinced that I have not had any issues with the heating elements because they have never been above like 1600. :D
 
Where are you located? You may be close to someone who HT's. I have a local knife maker that does it for $5 a blade.

I'm west of Minneapolis in MN and I would love to find someone like that with an oven since I typically can only get one knife done every 6 weeks or so.
 
Buck Knives custom heat treating lists 20 blades for $85. Individual are $17 a piece. I don't know how old that is but that is full treatment with cryo and hardness testing.
Paul Bo's did it before he retired but his replacement had worked with him for over 20 years.
 
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