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Been lurking these forums a lot in the last few months, and just wanted to say thanks to all of you that make bladeforums as great as it is.

I need your advice finding a fixed blade hunting knife that will be highly suitable for gutting deer, but more commonly used as a general camp knife.
The only knifes i currently own are my edc Byrd caracara, a locking Victorinox i've had 25 years and a $30 damascus skinning knife from ebay (see Damascus007) I'm guessing its from India, its got a nice weight and edge but im sceptical of its durability, also lacking ergonomics and grip especially when things get messy...
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I was trying to stay under about $50 (although a Spyderco Bill Moran is tempting at 80)
Mora knifes are interesting and im sure ill get one eventually but i'd like the strength of a full tang.
I was looking at a Condor Bushlore, but at 40-50$ (shipping to Canada) there might be something beter.
I also noticed a Buck Omni-Hunter 10PT (420hc) at cabelas today (47$)
It's hard to decide without actually handling the knifes...
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CS Pendleton...


(I'm so biased, It's not even funny. Someone needs to buy me some other knives so I can have normal opinions. :p)
 
For under $50, the Buck 105 pathfinder is a great all around hunting knife. For a little more, the Vanguard is great. Even the bucklite fixed blades are good. Less expensive due to the handle design but same blade as many of the other fixed blades they make.
 
+1 on the Buck 105 pathfinder was what I bought my son when he started hunting.The buck Vanguard is another great hunting knife.With out getting into all of the custom knives I own.I have a Knives of Alaska Magnum Wolverine hunter.The blade steel is D2 and it takes a scary sharp edge and holds it a long time.The rubber handle slabs are very secure gripping when your hands are covered in blood. Let me just say that in 33 years of hunting I have killed way over 100 deer. You never want to skimp on any of your equipment. I still own the Buck 120 General that i bought in 1979 as my first hunting knife.I did not have any guidance but it worked and I was soon looking for a shorter blade for gutting. Just my .2 cents!
 
-1 on the Buck 105 Pathfinder :thumbdn: The handle is too small and is made of this slick phenolic material, the pommel-spur gets in the way of a decent grip even when the handle is dry, the guard is over-sized for the knife and the ricasso to small for a forward grip and too large otherwise, and the blade is longer than I like for gutting deer. Skip it. It's a nice woods knife, long and light and thin, but NOT what I'll ever carry again when hunting.

But BUCK has lots of other (better) offerings for hunters, including the Vanguard or the Zipper or even the old 110 folder, and those are all older models. I know some guys who own Omni-hunters and like'm.

GERBER also has a lot of great models including the Gator, the Freeman, the Longbow, Metollius, fixed-blade or folders. I'm partial to the rubber-handled gators - great grip esp. when your hands are slick and cold.

Becker and Boker have some options close to your price-range, especially if you check the exchange here or auction sites. People seem to like the new BK16 which looks good but I've never handled one.


Really what I'd recommend is a suitable design: 4-5" drop-point blade, high grind with a spine preferably no thicker than 3/16", light weight, some form of guard (preferably a dropped ricasso like you see on kitchen knives but that's less common elsewhere), and a durable and highly ergonomic handle. Finally there is steel-type. You want something that can take a thin edge fairly easily and can hold that edge for a good while. Higher carbide steels have better wear-resistance at high hardness which aids in cutting hide, etc. Lower carbide steels tend to be tougher at high hardness (unless you're looking at expensive powder steels) but the edge will roll more easily if left too soft. How skilled are you at sharpening? If you're pretty good, then almost any knife-steel at proper hardness will suffice for you.
 
Thanks guys, thats some very helpfull advice :)
Im bidding on a spyderco Bill Moran, someone mentioned they had used it on a deer with great success, any opinions? Otherwise ill probably go with the vanguard... also being tempted by the KOA's... maybe not the magnum hunter but a Cub Bear... someone was saying they always reached for it when gutting, but it seems too small to me, would be nice on smaller game though...
As to keeping things sharp i did get a dmt aligner with coarse and fine diamond stones, but i'm not real confident knowing which angle to use on different knifes, i'd definetly be scared to touch the beautifull edge of a KOA, or even my edc byrd... any basic DO NOTS i should consider?
 
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I've never used the Spyderco... if you're looking at the drop-point version, the specs are sound and Spyderco is a reputable company, their VG-10 should hold its edge a good long while. Here is a review on the older model by a source I trust: http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/reviews/bill_moran.html
I'd be careful if your intended uses of this knife include batonning - the thin spine and wide belly with high-grind (excellent for field-dressing) are not well accommodated for strong lateral stresses and could fracture if you aren't careful, not to mention that the handle is designed for comfort and not to be abused. The Moran should make an excellent game-knife as well as a great field knife :thumbup: just be aware of its limitations. Also, that choil-groove doesn't appear large enough to comfortably fit your finger... but again, I haven't tried it, and it shouldn't really matter in most uses anyway.

Whatever knife you end up with, let us know what you think. Comfort in hand during use should be a high priority.

As to the sharpener, I have the same one with the addition of extra-coarse and extra-fine stones (for quicker resetting of bevels and more thorough polishing). It works quite well except on narrow-bellied and long knives in my experience, and neither the Moran nor the Vanguard will be a problem. Your Byrd is a good knife to practice on. Don't be afraid. My general utility edge-angle is 30-o inclusive (15-o per side) on knives of decent steel, which is the 2nd or 3rd notch on the guides. If the edge degrades too quickly at this level, I back off to 45-o inclusive. If it can't handle that, I get a different knife ;)
How I sharpen: use a red-Sharpie to 'paint' the edge-bevel of the knife on each side. Make a pass on each side with the fine-stone at the angle desired and observe where marker was rubbed away - if the stone took marker from the very edge, then my selected angle is more obtuse than the bevel and i usually leave the knife at that angle and see how it performs. If it degrades to quickly in use, I'll resharpen at the more obtuse angle. If the marker is rubbed away at the 'shoulder' behind the edge, then the bevel is more obtuse than my selected angle and I'll then proceed to sharpen each side with a coarse (or extra coarse) stone to bring the bevel down to where I want it before polishing with the fine stone.

DON'Ts:
1) Don't over-tighten the aligner clamp - it's plastic and may bend and break
2) Don't hold the aligner when sharpening, hold the knife
3) Don't start with a fine stone if the edge is very dull or the bevel needs to be reset. The coarse stones should give you your edge, the finer stones polish that edge, reducing scratch size to eliminate the 'stress risers' that lead to quick edge-degradation.
4) Don't rush, take your time, practice and observe the edge, re-'paint' as needed to guide you in your progress.
5) Don't forget to wipe/wash your stones occasionally (water and cloth or paper-towel), as they remove metal from the edge they will become loaded, preventing further progress in sharpening.
6) Don't press too hard - if your stone is removing the marker, it is removing metal and that is hard enough. If it isn't removing the marker, add some pressure.
7) Don't focus on any one section of the blade for too long, this will lead to an uneven grind which can hamper cutting performance. Grind (sharpen) the entire edge as evenly as you can on both sides - make a good number of strokes along the entire edge on one side, then do the same on the other, repeat. Many users like to feel for a raised 'burr' along the entire edge of the opposing side before they'll switch to sharpening the other side.
8) Don't forget to 'deburr' the blade as you progress.
9) Don't maintain the same pressure as you bring the knife to its final sharpness, you want to lighten the pressure as you finish.

There's probably a lot more advice to be offered, but that'll give you a start. Watch some online videos demonstrating sharpening techniques. It's a basic skill and with the aligner kit you'll be good at it in no time. :thumbup:
 
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