Hurricane Sandy lessons

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So after watching the next few days unfold after sandy's rath now we are beginning to see how things break down. Listening to the radio this am, I heard a couple that left their house for 2 hours to wash clothes were robbed. Bad guys simply used a crowbar. Another situation were a man cut in line at the gas station then resorted to his gun to fend off those that were not happy about his cutting. There have also been fighting and so on that has grown. What are the lessons if any that are learned from these disasters? Would bugging out have been the answer? How would you be prepared for this and what would you do?
 
I would be "bugging in" and staying away from other people as much as possible until some sence of normalcy returned.
 
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I see 2-3 hour waits on gas lines now.

I filled up my tank before the storm and
Don't waste driving anywhere now. I only go to work and hope
My tank lasts until gas is restored.
I learned that led lanterns are better than candles.
I also learned that super full freezers are
Probably not so wise since those things melt.

I ate about half gallon of ice cream when
The power went out.
 
We were lucky compared to how our coastal neighbors fared. Thank God that we didn't suffer any property damage or bodily harm. Some weren't so lucky....
I feel that this was the least worst time for the grid to turn off. We or our pipes didn't freeze, food didn't spoil. We bought ice on Monday for our cooler and just threw it out now as the power came on. What we did was to pare down to basics.

Shelter. We had brought down all our storm windows which really help with insulation. Extra blankets on all the beds although everyone doubled up in beds.

Water. we pre-filled five 5 gallon buckets with lids, one six gallon camping water carrier, and two of those 3 gal. summer time iced tea/sangria decanters with water. we went through it all in 3.5 days.

Fuel. Two full propane tanks for the grill for heating water and food, Hurricane lamp oil for about four lamps we have, although I was nervous about the fumes. Most of our LED lights are AAA so that was easy.

Hygiene. Baby wipes and hot bucket baths every other day.

If this had been January, a generator would have been a necessity.

Books - The five of us in one bed reading is how we passed the time between dinner and bedtime.

My eldest daughter made a wooden box with hand tools. My middle daughter revised her survival kit and practiced bowdrill. My youngest son played with our dog more than he ever has.

As for modern day short-cuts; paper plates and cups really helped with water conservation.

I read that book The Dog Stars that was recommended here. Very nice heartfelt survival read.

Oh yeah, No showers - no sex. Oh well...
 
Unless you are on the actual coast, a major decision is whether to evacuate or not regardless of any government orders. You leave and the authorities won't allow you to come back and then the looting begins. If you stay, you risk your life. It has to be done on a case by case basis in my opinion. It is a weighty decision with ramifications. My thought is... get the family out and make a personal decision about staying.

Lessons: (1) Own a gun for personal protection and home defense. (2) Have a generator on hand even if you don't use it for 10 years. (3) Make sure you fill up gas cans and vehicles before the emergency. Have sufficient gasoline for the generator for at least 4 days. (Store all the empty gas cans in your attic, garage, basement, or under your hosue if you have a crawl space. Put them in garbage bags to keep moderately clean. (4) Devise a way to plug the generator into your house current and make the house the extension cord rather than portable ones lying all over the place. (5) Keep some tarps and plastic sheeting available just in case broken windows or roof damage. (6) Keep a good supply of pretty clean 5-gallon buckets. Fill them up as well as the bath tubs prior to the emergency. (7) Keep at least some basic tools on hand. (8) Think about what you would actually do if you had no power for a week and be able to remain in your home.
 
The FEMA 3 day supply seems to be a little light. Natural disasters really test how we adapt to these situations. Bugging in or out can sometimes be a difficult decision and can be a costly one if made wrong. I watched all those in colorado that had the fires. Those in Missouri with the tornados. The power outages last year in the east. And finally a quake! I live in the midwest so I dont know what we would face aside from flooding. Man is tropical by nature but because of HVAC and shelter we can live in these colder areas as long as the power stays on during those months that could prove to be deadly. In the event that the power goes out for a long period of time we live in areas that cant survive or sustain life. But another issue is always food...cant grow much in the cold climates. With canning and prepping you can grow during the warm months and can your food to keep...but if you run out...hmmm...could be bad! The city is the first to fail. It cant sustain anything without having it trucked in...good, food, fuel, and medicine...the list goes on. A goal for my family is to put us in a more warm climate. I am hating the cold and it is just a matter of time before something happens that will change the way and place we live.

These disasters are a test of survival. I like what you guys have posted...such as the candles being a limited source of light, books and so on. I need to get a hand drill!! But keep posting this is a cool thread and makes me think.
 
A couple of thoughts, on whats been mentioned. I know a lot of it is stuff you all know, but food for thought.

plugging a generator into your house: Great idea, but make sure you get an electrician installed swich-over/lockout breaker. That way you can isolate your house from the mains, prevent any injury to the rescue and repair workers. That also depends on your generator capacity, your average little home generator isn't going to power much, so having a cord into the house to run the freezer for an hour, then the fridge, then the battery chargers... you get the idea, isn't that much of a risk. the generator shouldn't be running overnight with no one awake anyway, and be sure your battery powered CO detector is working. more power=more fuel.

Three days supply: I agree that its short, but if everyone had three days supply, that gives emergency response three days to get on the ground, so that when the food does run out, people don't panic, and things hopefully stay orderly. That said, I know that isn't going to happen, so pack away more.

Water: like firewood, you'll always need more! a while back someone posted a thing that was basically a camelback for your bathtub. more water is always better, its easier to share from surplus, never know if the neighbors might go short, and being able to give is better than having people get desperate. If you can, collect rain water.

Fuel: buy often, use often. stabilize it, and keep it cool. the new high efficiency gennies don't need much. In rural areas diesel is probably a better choice, but I assume most out-of-town folks are more able to deal with loss of power, as they are generally less reliant on it. (normal outages take longer to fix) That said, assuming you started the situation with full tanks, where would you go? best bet is to sit tight anyway, sitting in traffic just adds to the problem, and how important are you that you need to go anywhere? leave that for the desperate folks.

Urban v rural. I think its kinda a tie, in the rural setting, you can be more self reliant, have bulk fuel, grow your own food. But simply put, we can't all do that. There are too many people for that to work. At least if you live in a city, when help comes, it comes to everyone, you included. Plus its a learning experience, lessons learned from Katrina are being applied now, and lessons from Sandy will be applied to the next one.

Pets, keep in mind that on a normal day, letting the dog out might be fine, but look after them. stuff might have blown into the yard, and you never know what else has been displaced. A wandering dog might be called in to animal control on a normal day, might be shot on sight after a disaster.

Home repair, I know we all are true manly men (regardless of gender) and can spit nails into timber from ten feet. But be careful! There should never be a rush to get out and fix stuff after a storm. take your time, do it safe. listen to the little "I've got a bad feeling about this" voice. Lots of guys get hurt or killed trying to clean up, or fix stuff on normal days, not to mention during the stress of post disaster situations. post disaster is no time to be learning about tools. Some guys should just never pick up a hammer, and all home repairs should be done with duct-tape. Can that window be fixed from inside, instead of outside? It seems obvious and dumb, but there was a discovery show "canada's worst handyman" several seasons of people who believed they could build stuff, and yet somehow never knew what tools did what. The common theme what that they let the ego do the thinking for them.

Looting, I don't have an answer to this one. Easy answer is to hoard what I've got for mine, and damn everyone else. But TEOTWAWKI or little cyclone, most likely I still have to live next to my neighbors. Do I want them as friends, or enemies? Sure telling all your neighbors about your plans means some of them might want to take advantage of that, and just rob you for your stuff, but they might want to do that anyway. To them you might just be a supply stop as part of their end of the world plan. On the other hand, if it is the end, why worry? Just sitting here thinking about it, there would probably be a lot of hungry backpackers wandering around my area if the power went out for a few days, or if the coast was evac'ed. some of them would probably get high and try to kick down doors. (next door neighbor is a cop, so that should help with that problem) Until I go through it, I have no idea what it would be like. My wife has been through a few cyclones here, but she was a kid at the time, so no real memories about it besides early bedtime, and lots of BBQ.
 
i have lived in s fl my whole life, id get gas before hand. i even have a few five gallon jugs i would fill up ahead of time if something bad is out there. i filled up when i had 3/4 of a tank of last thursday when it was closer to us. i dont have much faith in the cone, i remember the one that did a circle in the ocean then came across the state.
 
The important thing with a generator that is plugged into your house wiring is to always (ALWAYS) have the main breaker in the off position so no electricity can back feed into the grid. You can run more stuff than you think with a 5500w generator. You basically select the breakers to turn on and keep the other ones off until you need that part of the house, Tis good to have your breakers labeled. This can be done safely.

Your generator is outdoors.

Be very careful with candles. My brother's house burnt down due to an untended candle that a cat knocked over. Oil lamps are better and safer.
 
One major lesson I am reminded of when these kind of things happen is that the govt. cannot help everyone that needs help.
The "3 days" idea is a good start, but my family and I have much more than that.
We plan not to participate in the panic that we are seeing on the news in some areas.
 
As many have suspected, it is all about the "GAS". Without gasoline, everything pretty much stops whether it be rescue people, deliveriers, police, and your average citizen to get to work or get somewhere to find supplies to help themselves.
 
I would do what I did, make sure I had wood, gas and food, got the creek in the yard for water, fireplace for heat, Coleman Stove for heatin' water.

5 days no power, we were fine.
 
I would do what I did, make sure I had wood, gas and food, got the creek in the yard for water, fireplace for heat, Coleman Stove for heatin' water.

5 days no power, we were fine.

That's what I'm talking about.We havea very similar system/plan.
I also have a tight group of neighbors that look out for each other.
 
Some things I have learned in past extended outages- solar outdoor lights charge up for free and stay light for hours indoor with no fumes or fire danger. Plenty of light for getting meals done and everyone in bed.
Tarps, a bundle of shingles, can of roofing tar, nails, duct tape----- keep some on a shelf, they never expire, are relatively cheap and help with emergency repairs after a disaster.
There is over 30 gallons of potable water in your water heater and water lines, even if there is no power to the pump in the well. Shot off the valve going out of the house, connect a short section of garden hose to bottom of water heater, open a sink tap and then the drain valve on bottom of water heater.

My wife works for a medical supply company and is receiving calls from people who evacuated suddenly but did not take insulin or testing supplies with them.
When a record setting hurricane is moving in your general direction... you MIGHT want to pack a suitcase with essential items and place it by the front door!! Even if the company overnights the meds, delivery in these areas is delayed. Transportation to pharmacies is a prblem and many pharmices were also without power to receive faxed Dr. orders.

Bill
 
I learned alot about living in an urban survival situation with all infrastructure destroyed (no water, electricity, heating, food) during the 7 years i lived in Bosnia (4.5 years in Sarajevo). It added immensely to the wilderness survival skills i learned before that and more than i would write here (developing resource networks, communication, etc).

Living among/learning from people who survived a 3-year *total siege* of their city (and with no way of escape) is a humbling experience to say the least. It's ALL about "community" - "Lone Rangers"/'bad-a$$'s" just die of starvation/dehydration. Alone. They're usually found after they've been dead awhile because of the smell and then anything of value they have is re-distributed among members in the community.

Things that are germane to the OP though:
1) keep all your meds (everything from 'scripts, cough syrup, Ibuprofen, Advil, band-aides - whatever) stocked. Always.
2) keep a large supply of water - i currently only have 3 gallons plus whats in the hot water tank (50 gallon) and in the 'fridge (only another gallon or so), but need to pick up some more larger cans (capacity for another 30 gallons)
3) keep a large stock of dry goods and rotate old stock out regularly (btw 'juice' from canned fruits/veggies is very nutritious)
4) some firewood - hard to say how much is enough - and one of those "patio fireplaces" if you don't have an actual fireplace
5) candles/lamps and lanterns (with appropriate fuel)
6) toilet paper - it's cheap and can be burned or buried...... 'nuff said there
7) i like the large, 1gallon hand-sanitizer dispensers - it's amazing stuff for all kinds of creative uses

Anyway, these types of lists are refined to an art by 'preppers and there are also probably many sites dedicated to this sort of thing, but that's what popped out of my mind as i wrote. I'm sure there are lots of other things that should be included...... Neeman probably could say alot more on this too....
 
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my goalzero solar panel isn't much use in fall's soft sunlight (first 3 days of no power it was very cloudy)...the cigarette lighter inverter is the one i've been using to recharge the battery pack, cell phone, laptop and flashlight batteries...amazing how many people are caught without a way to charge their cell - i've seen several mom & pop stores here that are charging people to use their generator.
 
keep a large supply of water - i currently only have 3 gallons plus whats in the hot water tank (50 gallon) and in the 'fridge (only another gallon or so), but need to pick up some more larger cans (capacity for another 30 gallons)

i just re-use the plastic 2-liter soda bottles. everytime i finish one i rinse it with soap and immediately fill with water...i think i have 500+ liters stored all over the house...too many to count. i think i should stop now, haha.
 
i just re-use the plastic 2-liter soda bottles. everytime i finish one i rinse it with soap and immediately fill with water...i think i have 500+ liters stored all over the house...too many to count. i think i should stop now, haha.

OCD? :p

That's a great idea - we use 1ltr and 1/2 ltr plastic bottles all the time in our house (kids use 'em for school, i/wifey use 'em too). The 2ltr is a great size, but could be difficult to carry w/out a handle.

In talking with folks who had to travel a good distance carrying water (while also avoiding random sniper fire), water containers with easy-to-grip handles are very nice. Also, containers that aren't too heavy to carry, but hold a reasonably significant volume (~2-4 gallons) are preferable to really large containers (difficulty in filling, carrying quickly and using without hassle were general comments).
 
Running your generator though a transfer box is the way to go. That way, you only need to plug the generator into the house a switch circuits over from the transfer box. I run 6 circuits off a 5000 watt generator. This gives me the sump pump, furnace, fridge, 220 volts out the the garage, and all lighting in the house. My neighborhood was dark for about 26 hours.
 
If you are running a generator and have a well, be mindful of the load you are running and/ or keep your well turned off and just power it as needed. Otherwise, you could expensively burn out your well pump.

I learned that the hard way during last year's storms :(
 
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