I am astounded!

longbow

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Here's the deal. Took delivery of 2 CS Recon1 folders over the last 3 weeks. These are the AUS8a versions with G10. The first being a tanto p.e. that was actually the wrong knife. Not what I ordered but decided to keep it anyways. The second knife I just rec. a couple of days ago is the clip point in p.e. Same materials as the tanto.

The thing that is astounding me is the build quality and the level of sharpness I can attain and how long that sharpness lasts. This just doesn't seem like the AUS8a steel I remember from other knives I have had in the past with this grade of steel. I am not getting that super fine edge that AUS8 is noted for. No this is a nice hard edge without that ultra fine edge I seemed to always get with this steel. I have been using the tanto alot for an edc and well have opened everything from heavy plastic to envelopes and cut up heavy fishline that is used on a weedwhacker. Outside of a little bit of marring of the coating the edge has held up wonderfully. Way way better than I ever thought it would.

Now I have to say the clip point I rec. was sharp. And again a different kind of sharp than what I remember CS knives to be. Had more of a rough edge to it but still would cleanly shave hair. So I put the blade to a med. stone and after about 20 minutes with just a slight reprofiling this knife is even better than the tanto. It feels like my carbon steel hunting knives as for edge sharpness etc. A superb bite to the blade but you can also feel a roughness to it however slight. Hey beats me but these knives for the price point I paid seem to be worth way more than what you can find them on the net for. I paid 60 bucks for the tanto shipped and I think right around 50 for the clip point shipped.

A word on the build quality and the caveat here being is that I have severe bilateral carpal tunnel so a grippy texture to me is a very good thing. Well the G10 is probably the grippiest I have ever felt. Almost a sand paper quality to it. I like it. The handle ergo's are excellant too. I have fairly meaty hands so I like to be able to pick a knife up and hold it in various grips and not feel cramped when doing so. These two knives allow for that for which I am gratefull. They are also kind of heavy in physical weight which is a good thing for me too. The handles seem long too at maybe a bit over 5". Some of the end sticks out but I don't mind that either.

Now I am not here to praise all the CS products nor tout Lynn Thompson and his claims. Matter of fact I wrote a quick little ditty on the USN a couple of weeks ago about the tanto, and some of the feller's started jumping down my throat about L.T. etc. etc. Dexter put a stop to it as well he should have. This ain't about that. I never thought I would be saying any of this either. These Recon1 folders appear to me at least to be very well built folders and the AUS8a steel although haven't been a big fan in the past well this steel for whatever reason just seems to be excellant. Go figure right? Getting past all the b.s. CS puts out these cheap ass(inexpensive) knives aren't half bad. I use cheap ass with respect too cause I am carrying the clip point for the forseeable future as an edc. Keepem sharp
 
Nice to hear the positive review, I've wanted to buy one of these ever since they came out with the G10 version. The problem is that most vendors still refer to the Zytel model in their ad copy and I don't want the old model....
 
longbow said:
So I put the blade to a med. stone and after about 20 minutes with just a slight reprofiling this knife is even better than the tanto. It feels like my carbon steel hunting knives as for edge sharpness etc. A superb bite to the blade but you can also feel a roughness to it however slight.

On a medium stone you will get a rough finish irregardless of the type of steel. Are you using the same abrasives as in the past?

-Cliff
 
longbow said:
Here's the deal. Took delivery of 2 CS Recon1 folders over the last 3 weeks. These are the AUS8a versions with G10. The first being a tanto p.e. that was actually the wrong knife. Not what I ordered but decided to keep it anyways. The second knife I just rec. a couple of days ago is the clip point in p.e. Same materials as the tanto.

The thing that is astounding me is the build quality and the level of sharpness I can attain and how long that sharpness lasts. This just doesn't seem like the AUS8a steel I remember from other knives I have had in the past with this grade of steel. I am not getting that super fine edge that AUS8 is noted for. No this is a nice hard edge without that ultra fine edge I seemed to always get with this steel. I have been using the tanto alot for an edc and well have opened everything from heavy plastic to envelopes and cut up heavy fishline that is used on a weedwhacker. Outside of a little bit of marring of the coating the edge has held up wonderfully. Way way better than I ever thought it would.

Now I have to say the clip point I rec. was sharp. And again a different kind of sharp than what I remember CS knives to be. Had more of a rough edge to it but still would cleanly shave hair. So I put the blade to a med. stone and after about 20 minutes with just a slight reprofiling this knife is even better than the tanto. It feels like my carbon steel hunting knives as for edge sharpness etc. A superb bite to the blade but you can also feel a roughness to it however slight. Hey beats me but these knives for the price point I paid seem to be worth way more than what you can find them on the net for. I paid 60 bucks for the tanto shipped and I think right around 50 for the clip point shipped.

A word on the build quality and the caveat here being is that I have severe bilateral carpal tunnel so a grippy texture to me is a very good thing. Well the G10 is probably the grippiest I have ever felt. Almost a sand paper quality to it. I like it. The handle ergo's are excellant too. I have fairly meaty hands so I like to be able to pick a knife up and hold it in various grips and not feel cramped when doing so. These two knives allow for that for which I am gratefull. They are also kind of heavy in physical weight which is a good thing for me too. The handles seem long too at maybe a bit over 5". Some of the end sticks out but I don't mind that either.

Now I am not here to praise all the CS products nor tout Lynn Thompson and his claims. Matter of fact I wrote a quick little ditty on the USN a couple of weeks ago about the tanto, and some of the feller's started jumping down my throat about L.T. etc. etc. Dexter put a stop to it as well he should have. This ain't about that. I never thought I would be saying any of this either. These Recon1 folders appear to me at least to be very well built folders and the AUS8a steel although haven't been a big fan in the past well this steel for whatever reason just seems to be excellant. Go figure right? Getting past all the b.s. CS puts out these cheap ass(inexpensive) knives aren't half bad. I use cheap ass with respect too cause I am carrying the clip point for the forseeable future as an edc. Keepem sharp

I have 2 clip points in G-10 AUS8 and I concur with you. Very nice feel, and the edge holds longer than previouse Aus8 blades I have owned.
 
Hi Cliff well that's the funny thing. I am sharpening these knives free hand on a med. stone. In the past I have used my Lansky with coarse and med stones. Not really free handed the sharpening blades of this type. Matter of fact I use a very clean med. stone and another med. stone that is just bit thicker and more plugged for lack of a better term to sharpen the edges.

Just did a bit a research on sub zero quenching and found that most cutting steels are enhanced by this, especially it seems stainless steels. The steel that is zero quenched will have a better toughness to it, ie) won't break off as much when sharpening it. Maybe that is what I am seeing. I'll tell ya I am impressed to say the least.

For instance I am looking at a Spyderco BG42 Military I just rec. Has carbon fiber slabs which are excellant. This has the factory edge and is unused. I love this knife, lite wt., great grip ergo's and wonderful steel. My clip point Recon1 seems to me to have the better edge to it. This is just going by feel and shaving hair. Go figure. Same goes for my SOCOM from 98 with 154cm. Very sharp knife and again I like it alot but just doesn't seem to be in the same class as the Recon1, and the SOCOM is usually sharpened on my Lansky.

I am puzzled and at the same time happy the Recon takes this type of edge. Maybe it is the cryo treatment. Who knows, what I will tell ya straight up is the edge cuts at the slightest touch, has an extremely grabby blade and does not have a burr at all or the ultra fine edge like I talked about. keepem sharp
 
Cold treatment is in general of benefit for several reasons, mainly minimization of austenite. The sharpness of an edge can be dependent highly on edge geometry which always makes comparing different knives complication. In general burr removal is the hardest part of steel sharpening and once you get a steel which doesn't burr significantly it is really easy to get very sharp. I'd be interested to hear a comparison to the BG-42 Military after sharpening.

-Cliff
 
Funny you should bring this up. What the heck nothing else to do on a generally rainy day. First off don't ever take the Recon1 apart. I should have remembered when I took a BM710 apart! Man what a chore to get the friggin Recon back together. The only thing missing are the two ultra thin nylon washers. This knife has brass washers! For less than 50 bucks. It still opens and closes fine too, which after messing with it for close to 2 hours that should say something about it just in general.

I cut up some newspapers rolled up. Military beats it hands down for ease of cutting just because of the flat grind. Not to say the Recon was a dog, not by any stretch. No insturmentation involved so no numbers on pressure etc. Also paper tubes were of different sizes. But by feel the Mili was easier.

The next thing I cut was a dog tug. Nothing scientific here either. Just picked it up and cut it. Seems like the CS did a bit better here at least for feel. Its like the cotton threads just parted with little effort. Matter of fact the knife wasn't even all the way to the end of the pull when it was through. Moved up a bit and used the Mili. Was pretty easy too but didn't seem as easy as the CS.

Last test was using my old chest protector I just happened to find in the garage from my Tae Kwon Do days. Did a bit of stabbing with both. Again Military won hands down. This is a fairly hard material with padding and the Mili went in like it wasn't even there. More effort for sure with Recon. I can't say for sure how much more effort as a number but to me more effort. Both were pretty easy to penetrate it though.

Totally unscientific and again not a blade martialist but on days like today crap like this is sort of fun. What else do I have to do being semi retired. I had already vacuumed the house! One last thing the Recon functions perfectly and the blade is centered perfectly even without those two thin washers that went on top of the brass bushings. keepem sharp
 
Yes, when you have blades which are of different sharpes, and especially if the sharpness is different the performance can vary significantly across different media. Some materials need a high sharpness while some need a thin blade and some need both, and some need a more coarse finish. This of course is just one more reason to carry more than one knife because you can optomize them for different things.

-Cliff
 
I have a faily large collection that I'm trying to slim down. But the new Recon I, clip point (AUS-8/G-10) is one I'm keeping. I also have an old style tanto I like but was more than pleasently surprised when they came out with the newer, better model. Somebody at CS had a great idea. A large, tough knife for a fair price.

Regards
 
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