I am defeated

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I am proud of my sharpening skills, own sharpmaker, wicked edge, dmt bench stones and can use them all to put shaving edges on my knives. However, i have never been able to get victoronox swiss army knives and my new leatherman style cs sharp. Both of these knives have lower end steel that is softer than my other knives so i think its less forgiving, but im still always frustrated when ever its time to sharpen one. I think i have it down for victoronox, i just strop them back, but this chisel grind 420hc style cs is killing me. I ate so much metal off it trying to sharpen it, it would develop a wire edge and then the entire edge would peel of like a steel string. I finally just sharped it with 200 grit and called it "toothy" but i still loose sleep over it. How do you guys sharpen your victoronox and smaller 420hc blades? Thanks - Stanley
 
I have never let one go dull, if it gets slightly less than really sharp I give it a few light pressure strokes with the sharpmaker.

I think the trick with the softer lower grade steels is to go lightly. If the metal is softer and you apply much lateral force I think you may bend over the very thin amount of metal that an edge is. When I sharpen these steels on the sharpmaker I just barely allow the blade to touch, I remember watching the sharpmaker video and I believe Sal said the weight of the knife is all you should use as pressure while sharpening.

I have good luck with a super light touch.
 
+1 to the above. I'm no expert, but 420hc needs a very light touch. Its prone (IME) to pressure burring and to retaining fairly large wire edges. Switch sides often and don't let the burr grow large. If you have to stop and strop it a few times while going up through your progression then so be it. If you raise a burr with the coarser grits and let it stay as you work up, you're asking for trouble. Another thing, my experience with 420hc is that, while it will take a fine edge, it doesn't hold it very well. Somewhere around 600 grit or a DMT fine will last a bit longer than a highly refined edge with this steel. Since this is a steel made quite popular by Buck, I'd expect other opinions to follow.
 
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Regarding Buck's 420HC, they've treated it to higher hardness than (seemingly) anyone else. I looked up a doc from it's manufacturer (Latrobe Steel) a short while back, and they spec'd it for mid-50s HRC. This is what Case's Tru-Sharp is hardened up to, mid-50s (Tru=Sharp is actually 420HC). Buck's much-vaunted Paul Bos heat treat method has taken their knives up to around 58 HRC. That helps for their blades, which don't seem to roll or stubbornly hang on to wire edges as much. Case, on the other hand, has some amazingly stubborn wire edges on their blades. I've spent most of my sharpening time & effort on removing the wires on Case knives, when sharpening them.

The earlier advice, about going LIGHT with the pressure, is good advice for this steel. It's very ductile and not very abrasion resistant. This means metal comes off fast, and if you take it too far past the apex, or bear down too hard with pressure, you'll produce a significant burr very fast. While trying to get a feel for sharpening it, I'd avoid ceramic rod hones (like the Sharpmaker) for now. The narrow contact point, when using a triangular or round ceramic rod, will multiply the pressure on the edge in a big way. For this steel, that means it'll roll very easily. If you DO choose to use the Sharpmaker for it, use only the flats of the rods, with very light pressure. Don't use the corners, at least not yet, until you get a good feel for the steel.

Starting with a higher (finer/gentler) grit helps, in terms of regulating how big the burr gets and how fast it forms. You might give some 600+ grit wet/dry sandpaper a try, on hard flat backing (like glass), with an edge-leading stroke (edge-trailing will produce a burr easily, especially if pressure is heavy). Again, at very LIGHT pressure. The sandpaper will pretty much mandate going light anyway, as you'll cut/tear the paper if pressure is too heavy.
 
These softer blades do better on a strop. As far as diamond or ceramic or stones, I would always recommend going lightly. Once you get comfortable with a particular knife, you can put a little more pressure, but never push hard on any of them.
 
Thanks everyone I think I was using too much pressure. I'm gonna try it again when I get back in town from work on Thursday . Il let Yall know how it goes.
 
I have never let one go dull, if it gets slightly less than really sharp I give it a few light pressure strokes with the sharpmaker.

I think the trick with the softer lower grade steels is to go lightly. If the metal is softer and you apply much lateral force I think you may bend over the very thin amount of metal that an edge is. When I sharpen these steels on the sharpmaker I just barely allow the blade to touch, I remember watching the sharpmaker video and I believe Sal said the weight of the knife is all you should use as pressure while sharpening.

I have good luck with a super light touch.

IIRC from the dvd he says to use about 3 lbs. pressure. If you watch the dvd when he sharpens the SAK he is using more than the weight of the knife. I would say that excess pressure you want to avoid.
 
Ugh, sharpening saks is horrible. I can get them to whittle hair, but only on a good day. I would try a back bevel of 15 degrees a side, then use the sharpmaker at 20 a side lightly, stropping afterwards . If you dont have a strop, try auto polish on cardboard, or just try plain cardboard
 
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