I am no knife person--could anybody here throw me a bone?

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SindeeLee

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I found this quality knife last night walking, and I can not find a single manufacturers mark anywhere on it, despite using a magnifying glass. Furthermore, there is that unusual (to my eye) pattern on the upper part of the blade, both sides; however, the pattern is not even the same. 'inside' the boundaries of those individual marking are what first appeared to be pitting from chemical/substances + time, but I now think they maybe from the manufacture of it. Could it be genuinely 'handmade' by some individual. The only thing I know is it has heft and feels like a quality instrument/tool. I thank you profusely and vociferously for any light you may wish to shine into my darkness here...;-)
 
SindeeLee said:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OTH2H_wvLJpgY0ERqJKgDzyZ9K4B31Cj

I found this quality knife last night walking, and I can not find a single manufacturers mark anywhere on it, despite using a magnifying glass. Furthermore, there is that unusual (to my eye) pattern on the upper part of the blade, both sides; however, the pattern is not even the same. 'inside' the boundaries of those individual marking are what first appeared to be pitting from chemical/substances + time, but I now think they maybe from the manufacture of it. Could it be genuinely 'handmade' by some individual. The only thing I know is it has heft and feels like a quality instrument/tool. I thank you profusely and vociferously for any light you may wish to shine into my darkness here...;-)
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If you want people to see a photo on your google drive, it needs to be set so anyone can access it. Right now it's not.

A better method is to upload your photo to any free photo site and using the picture icon (5th from right) at top of the posting box to put in the link to your photo.
 
SindeeLee said:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OTH2H_wvLJpgY0ERqJKgDzyZ9K4B31Cj

I found this quality knife last night walking, and I can not find a single manufacturers mark anywhere on it, despite using a magnifying glass. Furthermore, there is that unusual (to my eye) pattern on the upper part of the blade, both sides; however, the pattern is not even the same. 'inside' the boundaries of those individual marking are what first appeared to be pitting from chemical/substances + time, but I now think they maybe from the manufacture of it. Could it be genuinely 'handmade' by some individual. The only thing I know is it has heft and feels like a quality instrument/tool. I thank you profusely and vociferously for any light you may wish to shine into my darkness here...;-)
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(new and hopefully improved link to pics...;-)
 
KenHash said:
If you want people to see a photo on your google drive, it needs to be set so anyone can access it. Right now it's not.

A better method is to upload your photo to any free photo site and using the picture icon (5th from right) at top of the posting box to put in the link to your photo.
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thanks ...I dont get out of the house much, so to speak - help greatly appreciated!
 
Welcome to Bladeforums SindeeLee.

Unfortunately that is not a quality knife. Those are some major flaws in the blade.

Without any makers mark it will likely be impossible to determine who made it. My guess would be it was made by someone in Pakistan out of scrap steel.
 
I'm guessing those "flaws" are deliberate to give the knife a rustic look. Regardless, it appears to be a fairly inexpensive knife that was likely, as said above, made in Pakistan.
 
"Made in Pakistan" is Bladeforums shorthand for "low quality", because there is a lot of knifemaking there, and no way to verify the chemistry of the steel or the heat-treat process. In some cases, I don't think there is a heat-treat process.

In this case, I think that some of my fellow scalawags are being a smidge abrupt in their judgment of this knife.

The depressions in the blade are... weird. It looks like somebody cut a knife-shape out of a larger piece, started grinding it flat, and then got bored, or decided that removing further material would be counterproductive, in some way.

There are other details that say this thing was made with machine tools, like the chamfer on the pommel ring, and the lateral curve on the spine and ricasso hint at belt-finishing.

The bevel looks like it was done on a hollow wheel, with a jig, but by somebody who wasn't quite sure of their work. If it was removed from the wheel to check progress, that might explain the "wobble" in the height of the finished grind.

My opinion:

1) It was made by somebody with decent equipment, who was still learning how to use that equipment. When they were doing something that relied on the machine, it came out good, but when they had to put some of their own skill into it, the results were uneven.

2) Basically the same as one, except in a mass-production shop. Decent machinery, lower-skill workforce. Even then, this might have been the last one off the line, because those knives usually have evenly-ground, but not symmetrical, bevels.....

There are places that do Rockwell testing, and machines (now) that are able to identify steel chemistry without destructive testing. Is it "worth" paying for those services? That's a personal decision.
 
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If you wish to go down that road, I have long been happy with my purchase of this set.

BTW, unknown/unmarked knives are a common theme in knife collecting. Here is my thread on the subject:


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killgar said:
Welcome to Bladeforums SindeeLee.

Unfortunately that is not a quality knife. Those are some major flaws in the blade.

Without any makers mark it will likely be impossible to determine who made it. My guess would be it was made by someone in Pakistan out of scrap steel.
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How were you able to see this knife?
 
Mmmm-Mmh! I do love the taste of shoe leather!

Well, while looking for something else, I found a retailer where you can buy this "Boning Knife Hand Forged Chef Kitchen Knives Wood Handle Fish Filleting Meat Cleaver Butcher Knife Outdoor Hunting Cooking Knife".

It's further North and East than Pakistan, but they can ship anywhere in the world, and offer discounts if you buy in bulk.

S SindeeLee , what you have here really is nothing special. Factory made, ships from China, no way to know what steel or heat treat has been used, short of doing your own testing. If you enjoy using it, well and good, but it's really no different from any one of the thousands of low-cost knives you'd see at any small town flea market stand.
 
Shorttime said:
"Boning Knife Hand Forged Chef Kitchen Knives Wood Handle Fish Filleting Meat Cleaver Butcher Knife Outdoor Hunting Cooking Knife"
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Just agreeing with Shorttime. There's a huge range of these fake forged knives coming in from China, and showing up on Amazon now. They started showing up a bit after that Huusk knife got popular. This fellow seems to offer a bunch, but I've seen even more models over the past couple of Summers -

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Use it and enjoy, if it craps out, hey it was a free knife :).
 
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Shorttime said:
"Made in Pakistan" is Bladeforums shorthand for "low quality", because there is a lot of knifemaking there, and no way to verify the chemistry of the steel or the heat-treat process. In some cases, I don't think there is a heat-treat process.

In this case, I think that some of my fellow scalawags are being a smidge abrupt in their judgment of this knife.

The depressions in the blade are... weird. It looks like somebody cut a knife-shape out of a larger piece, started grinding it flat, and then got bored, or decided that removing further material would be counterproductive, in some way.

There are other details that say this thing was made with machine tools, like the chamfer on the pommel ring, and the lateral curve on the spine and ricasso hint at belt-finishing.

The bevel looks like it was done on a hollow wheel, with a jig, but by somebody who wasn't quite sure of their work. If it was removed from the wheel to check progress, that might explain the "wobble" in the height of the finished grind.

My opinion:

1) It was made by somebody with decent equipment, who was still learning how to use that equipment. When they were doing something that relied on the machine, it came out good, but when they had to put some of their own skill into it, the results were uneven.

2) Basically the same as one, except in a mass-production shop. Decent machinery, lower-skill workforce. Even then, this might have been the last one off the line, because those knives usually have evenly-ground, but not symmetrical, bevels.....

There are places that do Rockwell testing, and machines (now) that are able to identify steel chemistry without destructive testing. Is it "worth" paying for those services? That's a personal decision.
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Wow..,what a thoughtful and knowledgeable response!! Freakin' great..,.,,and, not being 'knife person', I like it no less because is less than stellar manufacture/etc.
 
I’d sharpen it up and put it to work. Those cheap flee market/generic knives have their place. You don’t have to feel bad about using it hard or scratching up a nice finish. Especially if it was free. Throw it in the toolbox, you’ll get use out of it.
 
SindeeLee said:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OTH2H_wvLJpgY0ERqJKgDzyZ9K4B31Cj

I found this quality knife last night walking, and I can not find a single manufacturers mark anywhere on it, despite using a magnifying glass. Furthermore, there is that unusual (to my eye) pattern on the upper part of the blade, both sides; however, the pattern is not even the same. 'inside' the boundaries of those individual marking are what first appeared to be pitting from chemical/substances + time, but I now think they maybe from the manufacture of it. Could it be genuinely 'handmade' by some individual. The only thing I know is it has heft and feels like a quality instrument/tool. I thank you profusely and vociferously for any light you may wish to shine into my darkness here...;-)
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It’s a $1.04 temu special (Temu is a Wish.com type online store). Google “temu knife” and that exact knife will pop up. Free is free though, should make an ok beater knife.
 
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