i am the only one who feels this way about the choil?

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okay.... ive been thinking about it, and looking around, and apperently the sharpened choil is somewhat of a new idea.

so far, i havent seen any comments in line with mine as far as the choil is concerend.. so i have to ask,


does anyone else ever have any problems with the material your cutting slipping into the choil area? (this includes the smaller choils as well as larger)

its easy to say that if you have problems with things slipping into it, just choke up, but thats a seriously compromised grip - only having half handle and half flat blade in your hand.

any opinions?
 
I've never had that problem with any knife that I've actually used....Busse or otherwise.

BUT....as much as it pains me to think of what customs you may "modify" :) sometimes it takes little changes like that to make a knife just what you want.
 
back 3 years ago now....I was sick of this same problem,,,the way the stuff I was attempting to cut would bunch up at the choil and snag.

The last straw was this one day at work, I have just opened for the first time a new folder that I had been showing off to the guys all day. I started to just cut some paper, about 4 layers of paper when instead of cutting like a razor,,(I had told everyone how sharp my new knife was all day) the paper just jammed at the darn choil and made me look like a fool.

everyone had a good laugh at me with my new knife that could not even cut a little paper,,That night I tossed that knife away,,,and started to plan my own knife design without the choil.

I have since learned about the knives of Ed Fowler and have tried my best to learn how he makes them without the choil.

Now at work I do all the cutting, the guys just stand back, because they now know that my knives are sharp, and they cut like a dream,,,and they NEVER snag!
 
i have never had a choil snag, usually my knives are razor sharp close to the choil. most of my cutting takes place from the middle of the edge to the tip.
 
no problem with my lms but the pd has some troubles, i'm not trying what you did to that sjle :( ;)
 
I personally don't like a choil on any blade under 5 inches because of "bunching" . So I kind of agree with you , but the Jack is long enough to avoid that .
 
i have had a run in with the choil more than once.
i was glad to see ya sharpened that one.
i posted over at rat central in june i think, that the choil on the rat folder would just become a large, single serration. chain saw file. :)
 
voracious said:
i have had a run in with the choil more than once.
i was glad to see ya sharpened that one.
i posted over at rat central in june i think, that the choil on the rat folder would just become a large, single serration. chain saw file. :)

Nah! I've been using mine since June and haven't had a single problem with the choil. :D I'll have to compare it to the new mod SRKW has made for the production run.
 
idahoskunk said:
i have never had a choil snag, usually my knives are razor sharp close to the choil. most of my cutting takes place from the middle of the edge to the tip.

Ditto that. You have to get used to it and adjust your cutting technique accordingly. That's basically it. Once you realize and accept the fact, that there is no use trying to cut with the choil, you will be fine.

However I do not really like these small "wanna-be" choil designs like on the AD as you are loosing active cutting length without benefiting from a possible forward grip position at all ... but that's the only drawback of the AD design, IMHO.

Best Regards

Mark23
 
i did notice that swamp rat will be reducing the choil on the rat trap :cool: :cool:

i know that there isnt any use cutting with the choil, however when you have something that requires 6" of cutting, like a curtain or a long peice of cloth, on something like the active duty you only have 3" of cutting space. for me, when i have to cut something like that, i have a choice of iether using a sawing motion throught the entire thing, making a single ripping cut, or making 3 or 4 slicing cuts (where the blade gets inserted to the end of the blade near the ricasso, and then pulled out towards the tip, reset the blade and repeat)

with the first one, on flow-y drapes i have a hard time using the very limited sliceing room without iether having the material drop off the tip, or drop into the choil. not because im trying to do iether, just because the material isnt super taught and has a tendancy to slide along the edge in iether direction a little more then i intend it to.

with the ripping action, again, things tend to slide a little bit. with a limited cutting area, its gonna (for me) iether go off the tip or the choil.

and with the multiple slices, that works, but not when im short on time and have to make the cut fast.

when im making a quick cut, i like to be able to square the material up with my hand, and slide it onto the blade where it starts - that makes it so i can do it completely blind, and get the material squarely onto the blade everytime. even when im not doing that, i like to initiate the cut by pushing the blade foward, so that my main cut will be using the entirety of the blade instead of the last half of it (again, with the possibility of the material slipping off the tip before its fully cut). doing that inevitable results in the material going into the choil and me having to reset the cut.

ya, i could probably learn to do use the knife in a manner that would minimize that, but i would probably lose all that method i learn when i need it most, when a seatbelt needs to get cut and another car is coming, when im stuck and choking, when i need to cut something off thats hurting me badly enough that im getting dizzy, things like that. chances are im gonna do the square it up bit and cut from the back of the blade where i have the most control, speed and power.

and id still have to ask, even once i learned how to use the blade without having things slip into the choil, whats the purpose of them being there in the first place? as a choke up area is one that ive heard a lot, wich i can understand that (though personally i dont like having my finger actually on the blade or right next to it when cutting anything, wich is mainly because i have butter fingers when it comes to that specific hold position with knives.), but with anything smaller then that, whats the purpose? (compared to a small notch, or something that wont have things actually going into them and getting caught)

with the knives that have the choke up area, i feel the urge to always be in that position rather then have my hand on the actual handle.... (unless its big like a basic 9 or battle mistress)
 
i always heard the small choil was so you could sharpen the whole length of the blade.
 
I agree, I don't like coils on smaller knives. Not only does it cause material to catch, it also takes away a very usefull portion of the blade. After having said that though, the Swamp Rat Bandicoot is one of my favorite knives and it has a coil.
 
witchhunter said:
i always heard the small choil was so you could sharpen the whole length of the blade.
ditto, a small choil lets the blade be sharpened without grinding a stress riser into the blade at the handle end.
 
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