I ardently campaign for the Muscrat

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Jim March wants someone to make a 3.9" two-bladed folder for defensive purposes--one that would allow for both blades to be open simultaneously.

Well, let me add my voice to the clamor, or the peep as it may be. This is an idea whose time has come.

To get a feel for this sort of contraption, I've duct-taped my old Endura and my Jot Singh Khalsa together, so that the butt of the JSK is right behind the lock of the Endura. Closed length would be comparable to that of a Buck 110, one of the most perfect tactical folders ever devised. The thickness of the combined handles is also comparable to a 110. Of course, both of these blades are a bit shorter than 3.9".

With both blades open, this thing is big--and it's under Jim's specs. It has the same "you should go now" factor of a Sifu, only different.

In movement, the knife becomes alive. Cast away all notions of "forward grip" or "reverse grip" fighting, because this sucker will do both at once. Furthermore, the knife "loads" itself: every movement leads directly into a slash, thrust, trap or anything else. It's tremendously versatile. My only caution would be to watch yourself on extraction. My Filipino stuff addresses this well already, but other disciplines are far more linear, and the downward-pointing blade could pose a threat to you if you forget it's there.

For those who tire of martial bladecraft talk, the versatility of this pattern definitely extends into the utility realm. As has been said before, the two blades can be anything you desire, as well as plain or serrated. Certain combinations spring to mind for a multitude of purposes. I think that a hawkbill on one end would be particularly wonderful, particularly for cutting those monster plastic straps that packing crates are sometimes held together with. Other applications, I hope, would be apparent to the responsible martial practitioner.

It really doesn't seem like it would take too much design effort to make this work...you don't need it to be a small knife, so a long, thick handle is just fine. It wouldn't take Sal Glesser to come up with a prototype that worked and worked well.

Why doesn't someone pick this up and run with it? Unlike the Sifu, it would be unquestionably legal in almost all jurisdictions. It would be cheaper than the Sifu, too, if you didn't get too fancy about it. There are designs far more radical coming out right now, the Gunting for example. And the multi-blade fighter concept is supported by knowledgeable individuals that I've spoken to.

An established company could come up with a prototype and show us pictures to get us thinking. Or, a custom maker could create the first one for some forward-looking patron on Bladeforums. Heck, they could just make one out of their own curiosity. Please tell me that I have sparked some personal curiosity, because my own on this subject is quite engaged.

Supporters, come forward! Let's get this thing on the market!

[This message has been edited by Frank Jones (edited 07-28-2000).]
 
How would both blades open at once? The idea is intriguing but I am having trouble picturing it unless its an auto.

As for manuals I think Spyderco plans a full size Dyad, serrated and plain blade.

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Roger Blake
 
Ah! One of my favorite subjects.

There's three basic opening sequences:

1) Pop one blade, roll it in the hand, pop the other, in both cases just like you would any other.

2) Pop the forward grip blade out first, then for the reverse do a "sharp downward snapopen". The total sequence is "fast and flashy", sort of a "Bali-Song-ish" thing except you end up with two blades
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3) The trickiest is to "pinch" it dead center of the grip, blades opening away from you, and quickly (REAL quick) "punch it out and back". It's possible to snap both blades open yet they make just one synchronized "click".

Once open, it's an absolute BEAST. The opponent has no idea whether you're doing forward or reverse grip and he "dies confused". Intimidation factor is through the roof. Taking it away from you is damned near impossible...with the forward grip in something akin to a Saber or Forward Reach grip, the rear blade fades back along your forearm permanently blocking wrist grabs.

You can "feint" in a forward grip and then shift direction completely, finishing the attacking stroke in the reverse.

I believe the company that can make this the fastest and easiest is CRKT, using a "doubled Crawford/Kaspar". The only trick there is with the LAWKS secondary safety latches. Since you'd only have fast access to the forward-grip latch, you'd want to reserve stabs to the forward grip and leave the reverse for slashes with the safety disengaged. Still not a bad system. And with a list price of what, $55 or so, and Mike Turber sells 'em for $40ish, such a doubled beast would easily be less than $100 - for the absolute best 4" class fighting folder available.

Even better would be a doubled SOG ArcLock 4" class. SOG is about to ship a 5" megafolder that's obviously "combat oriented" so they have the "basic will" to do a pure combat monster like this. A doubled 4" ArcLock beastie would probably need to sell for the better part of $200 - still marketable, mind you.

More radical: imagine Cold Steel taking the Scimitar blade as-is and doubling it. You'd have to totally re-work the grip, go to dual steel liners under the zytel instead of the current single-liner setup but still...HELL ya.

A "double-Carnivore" would be close to the ultimate. Price would be at least $200, maybe more like $300. I'd buy one, for sure. I hope CRKT does one first as a "proof of concept", especially given the "family ties" between the Carny and the CRKT Crawford/Kaspar.

Finally, a doubled Spyderco Police would be killer. Some guy out there somewhere does a few up like that custom, re-gripping a pair of Police.

BM doesn't have the guts. Spyderco says they're not interested. CRKT could gain instant access to a higher-end market, especially once they hold the title of "best fighting folder for a 4" blade max legal climate".

I've been talking about this LONGER than I've been discussing megafolders.

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Jim
 
OOOPS...that ain't it. I grafted two CRKT Apaches together once, came out GREAT but too fat
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Shown is a totally different "double"
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Jim
 
You know, when I was posting, I was thinking that either SOG or CRKT could do well by such a piece and that the piece, in turn, would do well by them. Think of it: it would be a prestige piece, like the Viper is for Dodge (apologies, Jim; had to use a car analogy because a bike one wouldn't spring directly to mind). Just putting it on the front of a catalog would get a hell of a lot of attention from buyers and spill over into other products. SOG especially. CRKT has already shown their willingness to bring out cool designs like the Stiff KISS and the Kasper/Crawford. For them, this would just be a big step in the same right direction. But SOG has never approached anything so radical before. The Muscrat would pitch them onto the cutting edge. The PE II shows that they're willing to get a little out there. It would be nice to see them go further.

I really need this concept to be realized. This is the Washingtonian's answer to the Sifu. I plan to get a Sifu, and I plan to carry it just like I carry my BM balisong, but I want something this wicked that is totally legal. Others will want it too. Just get it out there; until someone does, all people will do is wonder how good it really is. I know how good it is.
 
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