I can't decide hinderer or chris reeve

Matt81818

Matt81818

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I have the extra cash to buy a new knife and I found a hinderer xm18 for the same price as a sebenza 25
I already have one hinderer and love it but can't decide which to get. Any suggestions ?
 
If you already own a hinderer then by all means give the Sebenza a shot. I don't own a 25 but I have a small 21 and a large 21 along with an XM18. Initially I thought the XM would kick the 21s out of my pocket but they did the opposite. I like my Sebenzas even more now. XM is still a great knife though.
 
I've had two XM-18's. Sold them quickly.
I try NOT to sell my CRK's; they stay in my safe. Many reasons.
 
Sonnydaze said:
I've had two XM-18's. Sold them quickly.
I try NOT to sell my CRK's; they stay in my safe. Many reasons.
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And Seneca18

Interesting, I've heard this a few times and I wonder what specifically you feel is superior? The only obvious difference I notice is the thinner grind which does seem to make it a bit more of a usable cutter at the expense of a bit of robustness.
but if you care to share, would love to hear about it
 
If you already own a Hinderer, go with the Sebenza.

I'm thinking you should get a Sebenza 21 instead of the 25. The 21 is more representative of what a Sebenza truly is.
 
Get the Sebenza. You can't compare apples to oranges and these two knives are the same. They both stand on their own.

Mike
 
IMHO its like asking what should I have Steak or crab legs. There really is not way to make a logical decision based only on the information provided. I like flippers but I also prefer the simplicity of the sebbie compared to the hinderer. I also like the hollow grind of the sebbie. Either way you are gonna get a damn good knife. Its really just a matter of what you have a taste for.
 
Definitely go the CRK route, however, if you want a Sebenza, go with a Large 21 over the 25. It's the bushing pivot system (in the 21) that makes a Sebenza a Sebenza.

If you want a high performer that is a fast opener, I suggest the Umnumzaan. Once broken in/dialed in, that blade just rockets out with a flick of the thumb.
 
sutherland said:
Definitely go the CRK route, however, if you want a Sebenza, go with a Large 21 over the 25. It's the bushing pivot system (in the 21) that makes a Sebenza a Sebenza.

If you want a high performer that is a fast opener, I suggest the Umnumzaan. Once broken in/dialed in, that blade just rockets out with a flick of the thumb.
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Right on, sir. I sold the 25 quickly, but love the 21's. And, I've carried Zaans for a couple of yrs, after I tried my large Sebbies.
 
sutherland said:
Definitely go the CRK route, however, if you want a Sebenza, go with a Large 21 over the 25. It's the bushing pivot system (in the 21) that makes a Sebenza a Sebenza.

If you want a high performer that is a fast opener, I suggest the Umnumzaan. Once broken in/dialed in, that blade just rockets out with a flick of the thumb.
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Sonnydaze said:
Right on, sir. I sold the 25 quickly, but love the 21's. And, I've carried Zaans for a couple of yrs, after I tried my large Sebbies.
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I'm really happy with the Sebenza 25, and I like the grind, profile and handle a bit more than the 21. I was thinking about getting a CF 25 or Umnumzaan, but I've since changed my mind; I'll go with a Large 21 -- mostly because CRK aficionados seem to overwhelmingly prefer it to the 25, and... variety is a good thing.

As far as the OP, and how the Sebenza and XM-18 compare, the answer is poorly. Despite being the two most influential and popular knives in their price-range (Strider would be No. 3), they're very different knives. I was a fan of the ZT Hinderers first, and owned the 0560CBCF, 0561, 0562CF and 0392 before picking up the XM-18 3.5 Slicer. I was disappointed, and it wasn't just the action.

If you already own one, and you're considering another, you're obviously very happy with yours. You might even end up being disappointed by the Sebenza. It happens. The general consensus, however, is that the Sebenza is one of the best folders available; if you like the design, and you're curious, it's worth the risk checking it out. In the unlikely event you end up hating it, you'll no doubt find someone willing to buy it -- or trade it for a Hinderer -- on the BF Exchange. Sebenza's and XM-18's are almost the official currency.
 
aaamax said:
And Seneca18

Interesting, I've heard this a few times and I wonder what specifically you feel is superior? The only obvious difference I notice is the thinner grind which does seem to make it a bit more of a usable cutter at the expense of a bit of robustness.
but if you care to share, would love to hear about it
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I came into the Hinderer XM-18 without ever owning a ZT Hinderer design. The main reason was I really like Wharncliffe blades, so I picked up a 3" XM-18 Wharny. It is a great knife and I plan on keeping it but the wow factor was not there for me like there was with the both my Sebenza's. I guess I really like simplistic design, and the smoothness of the CRK knives. I must say though, neither of these knives have wowed me as much as my Spyderco Domino and Spyderco Sage II. My Ti Frame locks below.
Untitled by Danny Nystrom, on Flickr
 
They are both fine knives, I have both but..... other than that they are very different in many ways. What you plan on using it for will be the answer to your question?
 
XM-18 is nice but I sold it. I don't know what is it about the knife, the high price or weight of it.. didn't picture myself using it. I've never handled a 25 before but I love the 21, have several variations of it. I would say go with Sebenza if you already have a Hinderer.

Playing around with my new DSLR :)

 
Matt, you might want to ask yourself why you want one of these knives, and then work backward to determine which knife better fits the bill. With these spendy knives, what you are mostly paying for is not utility, because you can get that with a Buck Vantage. You are paying for that feel good emotion that you get from carrying and playing with an expensive knife with close tolerances, titanium and bling. You gotta ask yourself which one makes you feel better, because that's really why you are buying it.
 
What's your use? Then work backwards to which will perform better. I have both and they each do some things better than the other.
 
I recently told myself that I had to try the Hinderer knives. I purchased two Gen 4 3.5" slicers. I sold them within days of purchase. I would rather have a $200 ZT than a Hinderer. They wouldn't flip at all without using my wrist and the blade would come open with the slightest bump. They basically had no detent. There is a reason their prices have been going down and it's not because they are just feeling charitable!

Go with the CRK. The 25 is an awesome knife if you need a heavy-user. It has a thicker blade and larger pivot than the 21. I own several 21's and they are great knives as well.

Someone would literally have to give me a Hinderer before I would have another one.
 
If you can buy the XM-18 for the list price of a Sebenza 25, I'd suggest you do so. Then turn around and sell the XM-18 for a profit, take the proceeds and buy the Sebenza, and pocket the rest.
 
bld522 said:
I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but XM-18s are purposely designed to operate that way. Check this out:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...their-Hinderer-knives?p=13587723#post13587723
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I was not aware of that, thank you for the information. Of all the poorly designed things in the world Hinderer knives is certainly one of them. I could write a book about all the things we have had to change/redesign on the farm because some computer model or some moron said something would work well when designed and manufactured a certain way. When, in the real world, it was junk that had to be modified to work according to how people actually use them.

When someone buys a flipper, they probably think they are buying a flipper and not a "wrister" or a "bumper". I know when I have bought flippers I thought I was buying a flipper. All of them, some custom, have been just that, except for the Hinderer. If I hadn't of been able to sell them they would have been in my trash can.
 
bld522 said:
If you can buy the XM-18 for the list price of a Sebenza 25, I'd suggest you do so. Then turn around and sell the XM-18 for a profit, take the proceeds and buy the Sebenza, and pocket the rest.
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Id strongly suggest against this! Hinderer knives have some of the worst resale value out there and you'll likely end up losing funds trying to make a few.
pwrdbycotn said:
I was not aware of that, thank you for the information. Of all the poorly designed things in the world Hinderer knives is certainly one of them. I could write a book about all the things we have had to change/redesign on the farm because some computer model or some moron said something would work well when designed and manufactured a certain way. When, in the real world, it was junk that had to be modified to work according to how people actually use them.

When someone buys a flipper, they probably think they are buying a flipper and not a "wrister" or a "bumper". I know when I have bought flippers I thought I was buying a flipper. All of them, some custom, have been just that, except for the Hinderer. If I hadn't of been able to sell them they would have been in my trash can.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself! Go with a CRK...any CRK and let the family begin!
 
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