I Chipped my blade!!!

Jason B.

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Or did I?


Often you hear "I got a chip in my blade" but is it really a chip? Some are with out doubt chips when you see large sections of blade missing but what about the small ones?

I think it has become a general term to describe the average deformations and compressions seen on the edge and not what it really is. A chip simply put is a fracture of metal and the surface of this area will look like a crystal cave. While more normal edge wear will look shiny, flat, bent, smashed, and ground.

This is a example of comp/deform that most mistake with a chip.
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And from the other side
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You can see how the metal is actually bending and folding but not chipping, and that's a S30V blade ;)




Truth is, I did chip my blade. I was testing out my Scrap yard S5 in SR-101 (52100) steel and decided to do things I normally wouldn't do to a good knife. Like hit it against bricks :eek:

After hearing talk of the differences of the busse steels one thing I kept hearing was how SR-101 would be more likely to chip. I wanted to see if I could create any small chips so I started looking for things to cut. I found some steel garden wire about 18-20ga in size and used a wood backing to chop about 6 pieces. This only created very small dents in the edge and nothing like you would expect from such cutting, surprisingly it looked more like a edge that had cut cardboard. This was impressive to me because I have done this test before with O1 blades that had thicker bevel angles and they showed much larger deformations. From here I really didn't know what to, I didn't want to be so abusive that I caused major damage but I still wanted to test the limits of the steel. A few feet from me was a unused garden brick so I decided "what would a few light wacks hurt" well it hurt. Not really but its time grinding I didn't really look forward to :(

With two wrist snap hits to the side/edge of the brick I created a very small chip in the blade and to the best of my knowledge it is my first :D

At probably less than 1x1mm I almost mistook it for just another deform/compress, I took the picture late and after I had already started grinding but its still worth a 1000 words.

This is a chip
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Same image just enhanced
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What magnification are those pics? I've been trying out a Belgian coticule recently to see just how refined I can get my scratch pattern at 30x. I'm a long way from getting there and wondering if it's worth the effort to keep trying with what I have at my disposal. Not trying to hijack the thread, but had to ask.
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What magnification are those pics? I've been trying out a Belgian coticule recently to see just how refined I can get my scratch pattern at 30x. I'm a long way from getting there and wondering if it's worth the effort to keep trying with what I have at my disposal. Not trying to hijack the thread, but had to ask.
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The first two are done with a cannon power shot A460 on macro setting, the second two are at 200x on a digital microscope/camera. Its a kids toy so its not the greatest but still surprisingly good, also goes to 400x.
 
Careful. For all your knowledge and skill, you'll quickly become the guy who chops bricks with knives just to see if they can take it. You can win a Nobel Peace Prize, but it only takes one goat...
 
Careful. For all your knowledge and skill, you'll quickly become the guy who chops bricks with knives just to see if they can take it. You can win a Nobel Peace Prize, but it only takes one goat...

The pursuit of knowledge has no limitations, everything from blowing up a watermelon to atomic composition all has merit. It is when you get stuck at one "section" say testing tensile strength against bricks that you stop being one who seeks to gain but rather one who seeks to prove.

I think that knifenuts foray into testing his edges is well justified. He needed to know for himself. after all, part of what knives are for is to cut. what good are they sitting pretty and not used for what they were designed for? thats just my take on it.

If you don't mind, would you pleas finish your sentence on the goat...im curious :)
 
Learnme, well stated and thank you.

Not only for my own knowledge but also others, using the correct terms and knowing what your looking at only furthers your self knowledge. Also makes you that much better of a knife nut :)


Be nice to goats, bastid might get jealous ;)
 
I coulddn't for the life of me figure out those last two pics, as many times as I have seen them.

"Why would he include a picture that was all blurry and focused on the table behind the knife? And why is his table all beat up?

Nowww I seeee. :foot: :D
 
I must be tired, I don't understand? table?
 
I was thinking the blade was featureless and edge up, and the reddish color was a beat up wooden table behind it. It just struck me today that it was just the coloring of the blade itself, and that it was actually edge down.
 
LoL, its actuall looking almost directly at the cutting edge. The redish color is a combo of lighting issues and the brown blade coating.
 
Nice pictures and an excellent illustration of your point. I often hear tales of "chipping". I don't remember ever chipping one of my blades. I have gotten flat spots, but have always recognized them as such.

Thanks for the effort.
 
I understand that definition of chipping, which is like a miniature version of a catastrophic brittle failure. I had a big one once with a 440C knife I threw and hit a metal frame.

I'll throw in that chip is also used by theoreticians (and machinists) of metal cutting (removal, machining, etc.) to define the piece of metal being removed by the cutting tool (or abrasive).

An exhaustive theoretical paper below highlighting that there is not complete agreement between experts in this area either (like toughness, hardness, and others):

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18741853/Theory-of-Metal-Cuttingmechanics-of-Metal-Cutting
 
my friend chipped the tip of my tenacious,he decided it would be a good idea to use it to take the safety of of his lighter(small strip of metal covering the flint wheel)it chipped it in a couple places right below the tip:mad:,needless to say i was pissed
 
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