I done been to Kentucky now!

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Just as a little switch-up from the "Izula Folder" and "Where are the stainless RATs" threads...

Got back in last night from a 5-day trip in Kentucky. We backpacked in the Red River Gorge/Clifty Wilderness area. It was an interesting trip on several levels. It was my (as well as everybody's) first time in the Appalachians. It was wet most of the trip. The terrain was much more heavily wooded than I am used to. And the six-person group was broken up into two sets of very different hiking philosophies, which made the trip pretty difficult in that sense. We actually set off without a map :eek: :eek: and ended up quitting a day early. Because of the lack of getting to look over a map and get to know the area beforehand, our route really sucked and this was a major contributor to quitting a day early, even though the weather on the last couple days would have been fantastic. Anyway, on to a few pictures, I'll tell a bit of the story as we go.

I'll start off with my signature trailhead picture. These two fellows and myself are fairly experienced hikers, and although I'm the only one of us who had done more than a 4-day trip previously, these guys knew what was going on. We were all nervous about several things about the trip, not the least of which was the lack of map and general knowledge of the lay of the area.
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Because of poor planning issues, we didn't hit the trail until almost 7:00 PM and only got in about a mile before having to make camp. Some storms had obviously come through this area and made a huge mess. We camped on top of a ridge, and it drizzled the whole night.
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The next morning we found a neat waterfall off the trail after hiking a ways.
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This prairie-raised boy found the forest a bit claustrophobic at times.
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Another small foible on the trip can be seen here. One of the guys brought along some coffee for the percolator, but it was in whole bean form. The guys used cans and the percolator lid in conjunction with the pommel of my Breeden hatchet to crush the beans. I don't drink coffee, but was very amused by this whole process.
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Some of the trails were really, really muddy.
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At the end of the hike we found some boulders and caverns to camp near. Camped near a small creek. Too close, actually, but after the long day we just needed to stop and make camp.
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Here's camp. We slept on the tarp with one of the tent flies covering us. It was one of the dampest nights I've ever spent out. I was not a fan of this idea from the start, and it was just as bad as I had thought it would be. It was not too cold, just drizzly. Condensation was another major problem, and all our sleeping bags were pretty soaked in the morning. I walked an extra 5-6 miles after getting to camp to figure out where the hell we were this day. I found the visitor center at Gladie, and although it was closed I took a picture of the trail map outside the building for the time being. We walked by the next day and I bought a real map.
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Going to continue this in the next post, so hold on for a few minutes...
 
The next day we ended up walking down the road. We hooked onto the Sheltowee Trace trail and camped near the confluence of the Red River and Chimney Top creek. We had a great campsite here, and ended up staying two nights.

Just one of the tents and a bit of my gear in this picture. The chair is something one of the guys found while exploring the cliffs around Chimney Top, you'll see that adventure shortly.
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We made camp pretty early in the day and decided to try to make it up to Chimney Top Rock. That ended up being quite an adventure, involving a bit of rock climbing (nothing scary) and most of the afternoon.

Here's Chimney Top Rock from the bottom.
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We found this huge, cool cavern while trying to find a break in the cliffs to climb up.
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Unfortunately, the place was pretty much a landfill. It was full of stuff folks had either packed in or thrown down from the top. The whole valley around Chimney Top was covered in litter, and it made me sick. I avoided taking pictures of the mess as much as possible, but the images are still vivid in my mind.
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We did find a way up, this is from about halfway up. We climbed up a series of shelves and caverns.
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Chimney Top Rock from the top:
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On the other end of the horseshoe-shaped valley there was another cool rock outcrop to climb, so we headed over there and climbed it.
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Going to break to one last post. Hang on to yer hats folks...
 
The next morning camp was blessed by the presence of the sun. It only was out for a few hours in the morning, but improved our moods greatly and gave us a chance to dry out some gear.
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A very cool tree along the creek
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A couple of the guys decided to swim across the Red River and back. They got very cold and had to run back to the fire to warm up.
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Just a cool picture of Dave's pot over the fire.
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With the abundance of firewood around, we had a pretty good bonfire going for our last night. It did get very hot, although we kept in under good control.
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The next day we hiked out on Rough Trail. It wasn't nearly as bad as I expected, but others thought it was pretty terrible. I'll post a couple shots from that and bring this to a close.
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Resting a couple miles from the end of the hike.
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And a pool in a creek where we stopped for lunch right before getting to the trailhead.
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So, in quick summary...

This trip was really an exercise in patience for me. Three of the guys had a pretty idealistic view of the trip as just a few days wandering around in the woods, and that view just didn't work in reality. We ended up seeing some cool things, but I wouldn't call this an ideal backpacking location at all. It was actually a pretty small area and putting together a 5-6 day route beforehand would have been difficult, never mind making things up on the fly (sans map for 2 days). I'm not going to write off the Appalachians yet, but I'll probably go somewhere else if I do them again. For now I'm going to stick to the Rocky Mountains and plains where I belong.

I was actually quite happy with the way my gear performed. I may do some more posts on that subject later, but for now, my North Face Cats Meow sleeping bag did well, and dried quickly after getting wet the second night. Kelty pack performed just fine as usual (this is its 5th year of backpacking). Danner boots held together for one more trip, although they'll need to be replaced before another. This was the first outing for my MSR Dragonfly stove, which performed quite well. I've used it on car camping/fishing trips before, so its performance was no surprise. A few of the guys had JetBoils, and this was the first time I've seen them in action. They had problems burning stuff to the bottom of the pot, but otherwise they worked very well, slick little setups. I slept in my friend's MSR Hubba Hubba tent which was very nice.

That's it for now, if ya'll have any questions about gear I'll try to get them answered sometime. I'm tired of typing right now!

Forgot to add a link to the whole photo gallery for the trip: http://starkfiles.smugmug.com/gallery/11561917_caGLD#814382659_BcC4F
 
Well, you made some good (I hope) memories, and reminded the rest of us to grab a map and have a plan before we start out. :thumbup:

Nice pics, that even Mrs. Powernoodle enjoyed.
 
Nice pics. The red river gorge is one of my favorite places on earth. I disagree that it's small though, the gorge is part of the Daniel Boone national forest, one of the largest if not the largest "National Forest" in the nation. If you had maps you might have better understood. You literally could have hiked all the way to Tennessee from there on the 282 mile long Sheltowee Trace trail.
Looked like some fun times despite the weather though. If you can visit when the Rhododendrons are blooming it's spectacular. Fall is awesome also.
 
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Looks like you had a great time.

As for all the downed trees...We had a state-wide ice storm last winter that left most of the trees (in central KY, anyway) without their tops. Unbelievable damage, but the trees will recover eventually.
 
Nice pics. The red river gorge is one of my favorite places on earth. I disagree that it's small though, the gorge is part of the Daniel Boone national forest, one of the largest if not the largest "National Forest" in the nation. If you had maps you might have better understood. You literally could have hiked all the way to Tennessee from there on the 282 mile long Sheltowee Trace trail.
Looked like some fun times despite the weather though. If you can visit when the Rhododendrons are blooming it's spectacular. Fall is awesome also.

For sure, I noticed that the national forest area was huge. Had I more throw on planning I would probably have done most of the trip on the Sheltowee Trace trail instead of just wandering within the RRG area. But this was what we ended up doing instead.
 
I saw your post over on BCUSA and wanted to comment, but never have over there.

I wouldn't write off the Appalachians just yet. I grew up right here in the Smoky Mountains and can say that it's a truly amazing area. If you want to do another trip sometime I have a few areas to recommend for you, but I would probably stick to more of a planned trip. =) Heck, I would even join in if it's over a weekend.
 
thanks for sharing rocket, looked like that hike had it's highs and lows, but ultimately fun.
 
Thanks for sharing Rocketbomb! You had some pretty good pics of your adventure and BRAVED it out, without a map. I know next time you'll bring one or a GPS.
 
Despite the setbacks, looks like gorgeous scenery and a place to keep in mind for a return trip.

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Thanks for sharing Rocketbomb! You had some pretty good pics of your adventure and BRAVED it out, without a map. I know next time you'll bring one or a GPS.

Screw GPS, give me a map and compass any day! There are very few situations where I'll take a GPS, and it's always in conjunction with map and compass.
 
Nothing wrong with having a GPS as a secondary or tertiary backup. If you are truly lost and are relying on GPS, it will be the best friend you ever had, right? I don't have a dedicated GPS (other than in the vehicle), but my Blackberry GPS with google maps will show me where I am if necessary.
 
I saw your post over on BCUSA and wanted to comment, but never have over there.

I wouldn't write off the Appalachians just yet. I grew up right here in the Smoky Mountains and can say that it's a truly amazing area. If you want to do another trip sometime I have a few areas to recommend for you, but I would probably stick to more of a planned trip. =) Heck, I would even join in if it's over a weekend.

Yep. The Gorge and Natural Bridge areas are a cool place to visit but I have to admit that the Smokies is the best place to go see the Appalachian mountains.

As for your experience with refuse at Red River, this has been serious problem for some time there. Because of the proximity of the park, it unfortunately has become a spot for groups of people to go have weekend parties with the focus being on beer and dope consumption versus a pristine outdoor experience. Not that all the party goers don't clean up, but enough of them to leave a mess for everyone else. Same with the Cumberland Gap trail. The state simply doesn't have the resources and there aren't enough volunteer hours available to prevent it and/or clean up after these fools.
 
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I can see how the area would seem small as well due to the density of the forest and topography. I knew a guy who moved here from Kansas and he felt claustrophobic because he couldn't see for miles and miles.
As for the trash, it makes me sick. I always carry a trash bag and although I can't get everything, I try to carry out more than I carried in no matter where I go.
 
That's my old stomping grounds and I recognized several of your pics. Red River Gorge is really still the foothills of the Appalachians. The Smokies are a whole other story. Good times to be had in both places. I really miss the Kentucky woods :)
 
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