I finally figured it out... American youth today.

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Like the title says, I finally figured out what is wrong with American youth today. Barns. Or rather the lack thereof. Few kids are growing up on farms these days and as much as I look, I don't see barns in the cities, though occasionally one is stll standing near a new subdivision where a farm once was. So kids don't have access to barns.

A barn is a huge, tall building, usually built of planks covering a rough-sawn or even round timber frame and roofed over with sheets of rusty silver tin. All good barns have a loft, an airy upstairs (though usually without stairs), accessed via a rough ladder (or two, sometimes three) with rungs too far apart for short legs. Sometimes topped with a trap door to keep men working there stacking hay from falling through.

Splinters abound, sharp nails here and there... occasionally weak board or a hole in the floor to avoid help one to become observant. Wasps, carpenter bees (baseball practice!), spiders and snakes make nature observations up close and personal. Not to mention bats, birds, possums and coons.

And then there are the critters that an active barn was built to house, in addition to their feed. Piglets growing into feeder pigs, into sows and boars or shoats, and into ham and bacon and lard. Good lessons in the circle of life. And handling the monotony of chores. Hot, cold, rain or shine, the pigs have to be fed, locked up and let out. And the cows and mules. No, you cannot take a day off from pumping water from the well. The animals depend on it. And you.

It doesn't take long after the dred of the chores passes until the day that you look forward to the morning and evening greetings from your charges who rush to their troughs and mows when they spy you, through the cracks in the wall boards approaching. In a short while, you grow to expect the symphony of sounds and then learn to recognize the individual voices. You don't even have to enter the barn to know that one of your charges hasn't come up from the pastures. Or that one is down sick or giving birth and not standing at it's feed trough. Kids will be kids and the temptation is strong to play tricks on them. A whistle from the house before you head to the barn. Or banging on a pot or fence post. Or feeding them all out of order, the horse before the hogs, the hogs before the chickens.

The loft was a magic place for kids though. It was a hideout. A fort. Or if there were still hay bales... a fort within a fort. The gable ends had doors that opened like those of Western saloons. From those ports a kid could spy on family, neighbors or approaching enemy cows in the pasture. For the more adventurous they were the doors of the plane to parachute into the battle from. And the hay crane, if the rope was weighted just right on the other end, made a Tarzan vine that one could swing from the loft on.

A barn also made a good "mad scientist"/Henry Ford workshop. A place to build impossible contraptions that would be recycled, parts and pieces, nails and all... into the next brainstorm. Dad had his farm shop for working on farm machinery, but some tools always wound up smuggled to the barn, usually (not always) those which were old and unused, spares or broken. Even Dad and Grandad were in on the act at times, stashing an old wooden flatbottom boat there when they got a new one, a WWII era Harley motorcycle frame under a pile of burlap bags. And a Model A in one closed off stall. Treasures for a kid with an imagination.

The nooks and crannies of the loft made good places to stash a cigar box of secret treasures. Or a cob pipe with a straw or grape vine stem and a rough twist of tobacco in an old Prince Albert or Garett Snuff can that was there more for bragging rights and to impress visiting cousins than for actual consumption. And when you felt like being alone to be sad or just to think and watch the dust motes, no better place than the barn.

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Yep. No barns. That is what is wrong with kids these days.

Michael
 
Barns, sheds and stables, it's a poor boys Disney Land. :thumbup: :)
 
I grew up on ranches and farms. It was really a great experience for me and the memories were all positive. Most folks now are living in subdivisions and cul-de-sacs.

Barns, sheds and stables, it's a poor boys Disney Land. :thumbup: :)

That is a quote that would fit perfectly on a Tshirt. ;)
 
Yep, big fun for sure.

I took this pic from my mailbox of the one across the road.

 
We were suburban kids back in the 50s, and we didn't have barns either. However, we did have... A vacant lot. "The Lot" was our battleground, ballfield, and anything else you could imagine. A drainage ditch ran alongside, and provided constant source of frogs and other squirmy critters parents would tell us "Don't bring that in the house!"

When late summer caused the ragweed to grow over head-high, we cut pathways and maze-like areas through the heavy stalks with "borrowed" butcher knives..... Pretending we were "Ramar of the Jungle" hacking through the underbrush with machetes.
Modern parents would probably expire with horror at such activities.
 
I have two son's, one is in the 3rd grade and the other has already finished college and its amazing how things have changed just from the time my first son was a kid. I grew up about one block away from a wooded area that ran several miles in every direction and for a young boy that was a blast! My friends and I built forts, attempted to build rafts from found (used) lumber (designs stolen Gilligan's Island episodes) that would actually float in the lake...they never did but it was also a great place to ride mini bikes and motorcycles. We'd spend the day out there shooting our BB guns and just having the best time in the world.

Like mwerner said, fields or lots were also a great find that would allow you a place to play ball or just hang out with your friends. I look back and its amazing to know that for much of my childhood my parents had no idea where I was at the time...I could have been anywhere in a 5 mile (or more) radius from my home and the only rule was to be home by the time it got dark...it was simply a different time. By the same token, I can't fathom allowing my 8 year old to just head out and not being able to keep an eye on him...I think my generation (I'm 48) is now overcompensating for how our parents handled things...probably (without a doubt) going too far in the opposite direction.

My youngest asked the the other day what my favorite video game was when I was his age and when he heard that we didn't have an X-Box or any other types of home video games he said you must have had a terrible childhood. Far from it. He cracks up when I tell him that we had one TV (19") in the living room and that I always got yelled at from my father for either turning the knob too fast or not turning the TV antenna (outside) in the correct direction for better reception on one of the three channels we had to choose from. Good times. :D
 
I think kids actually miss having Pyramids around them.

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." -- attributed to an inscription in an Ancient Egyptian tomb, quoted in Buckminster Fuller's I Seem To Be a Verb

It seems that Adam and Eve said 'kids these days'.

TF
 
My youngest is 22. When they were growing up, we had one TV, one computer, and no game boxes. There were times my son came home covered in mud head to foot. Just hosed him off in the front yard before he came in the kitchen and stripped down. Many kids still grow up this way today.
 
I think kids actually miss having Pyramids around them.

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." -- attributed to an inscription in an Ancient Egyptian tomb, quoted in Buckminster Fuller's I Seem To Be a Verb

It seems that Adam and Eve said 'kids these days'.

TF

There is a huge pyramid in Memphis near the waterfront. It abutts a run down neighborhood with high crime rates.

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It is not a place one wishes to be caught after dark.
 
....Memphis..... high crime rates

Wife and I grew up there. Thought we'd return when I retired from the Army, but it's now a different city from then. Will never return other than for very short visits. Twin brother, a brother in-law, and mother in-law are still there. They'll probably stay until they die.

Unbelievably, Tennessee is now rated the most dangerous state with 643.6 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/05/most-dangerous-states/2925679/
 
Wife and I grew up there. Thought we'd return when I retired from the Army. Different city from then. Will never return. Twin brother is still there. He'll probably stay until he dies.

Unbelievably, Tennessee is now rated the most dangerous state with 643.6 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/05/most-dangerous-states/2925679/

And concentrated mostly in and around major urban areas. With no barns. I grew up across the river from Memphis. I went back there in the late '90's to shop at Southland Mall. Mistake. I beat feet back to the car and left Memphis.
 
And concentrated mostly in and around major urban areas. With no barns. I grew up across the river from Memphis. I went back there in the late '90's to shop at Southland Mall. Mistake. I beat feet back to the car and left Memphis.
Sadly, the way of much of the south these days.
 
Sadly, the way of much of the south these days.

A lot of us still live in rural "fly over country" here though. I avoid the cities as I find they really have little to offer. As Grandpa would say, "I didn't lose anything there that I need to go find".
 
I now live an easy drive to mountain, ocean, rivers, valleys, big cities, and small towns. Sadly the farms and land here are slowly giving way to urban sprawl. When I retire for good, we'll probably high tail it to the mountains of Southwest Virginia.
 
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I grew up in the 50's/60's in rural Tx with plenty of barns,sheds,coops, abandoned houses etc. When my kids were coming up in the in the 90's I would take them barn/abandoned house exploring on some of the old farms that I had permission to hunt on. They still talk about those thing when we get together. It's surprising what stays with them and what they forget.==KV
 
There's no doubt at all that there are A LOT of young people today (far too many adults as well) that couldn't care less about other people and have no respect for adults or anyone for that matter. What gives me hope is the fact that all of our friends that are parents raise their children just as we have ours and that is to respect others and to do their part to make this a better society. Even when my son's aren't aware that I'm listening I am, I always notice that they behave as they were raised to behave and that is to treat people with respect, say thank you, yes sir, no sir and unfortunately that stands out now...when we were young it was expected of you.

Even though most kids have access to a ton of electronic devices today such as computers, video games and such you still have to limit their time allowed on those things and make sure that they are involved in outside actives and learn that getting dirty can be a good thing. Its also important to make sure that your children learn to appreciate books and love to read.

Regarding the OP's barn theory, I couldn't agree more. I was extremely fortunate to have the best grandfather anyone could ever hope for and I spent a lot of time at my grandparents home when I was young and would follow my grandfather around like a puppy dog. His huge workshop was like a wonderland to me and I spent countless hours there watching him build things, learning to use different tools and constantly discovering new treasures (to me) hidden on shelves behind or inside boxes.
 
Well im 16 so I think I can weigh in on this :D One of my best friends lives on a cow farm right across the road from me. So I get my fair dose of barns! I live in my grandparents house, and my Papa built a barn on our small piece of property that he used more as a shop. Now the barn/shop is kinda my domain, and I do everything from work on cars to making things down there. Ive made everything from grappling hooks to an extremely ghetto forge out of a oil funnel and my moms hair dryer haha.


those are a couple of the knives ive made in the forge, and im working on a tomahawk head out of a ball peen hammer. Anyways I may not have an official hay barn or anything like Tyler does across the street, but I have a barn of sorts.
 
It's not that bad. Different strokes. I grew up in the middle of the hood in Brooklyn, NY. I took shelter from the violence, drugs and urban decay with Prospect Park, Central Park, the Bronx Zoo, Metropolitan Museum of Art, American Natural History Museum. I had my run being a wild child and I could have turned out worst. My best friend was shot in a drive by. In that time I was able to get out of the ghetto, earn two degrees, help my wife get two degrees, buy a house. I've done everything from sat in the board rooms and dining table with General Wesley Clark, to sitting in meetings with Raytheon in Pakistan to being in a Tux at galas on Ellis Island.

I've also travelled, climbed three pyramids and have clung to vines up volcanos. Living in the suburbs I've been able to fully explore the nature of NJ which has been wonderful the past 5 years. I wouldn't be so hard on these young kids they days. Yes they are smart aleckey but many of them are just really darn smart, they just lack experience to temper their whims. If kids are grounded well from the start - once they get out of their system what they need to get out and realize that life even if you travel the world leaves you empty without your family and friends they will certainly come back. My dad for example was a raging alcoholic, he put a 357 once while drunk to my sister's head because she came home from a date at 11PM and not 10PM. Yet my siblings and myself endured and thrived. I battled my own additions and have been sober 8 years. I didn't grow up in with a barn and things worked out ok.

What did my favorite poet say There is no Country for Old Men? Keep a chin up gentlemen! In time we all grow old and die, at least, I know that many of the folks here on this forum have lived their lives well.

Sailing to Byzantium

by W. B. Yeats
That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
—Those dying generations—at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.

An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.

O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.

Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.


- See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/20310#sthash.H6rQIFxp.dpuf
 
I had a lot of adventures in and around the old barn on the small (tiny) farm where I grew up. Ofcourse as I got older it became less fun and more work.
Seeing those hay loft bays in the pics above reminded me of my summers spent throwing hay. Loading and unloading square-bale hay is diabolical.
Here's rundown.
1. The hay is cut, dried, and then baled in a huge field and left in nice rows about 10yrds apart. If you have a truly evil guy in the baler he will pack them a little green or extra tight so they're extra dense and heavy.
2. Grandpa drives the truck with a long trailer and guys (sons, grandsons, cousins, and friends... no paid workers here) walk along the side of the trailer and throw the bales up to guys on the trailer to catch and stack. You want to be on the trailer as much as possible, because as time goes by the pile gets higher and you have to throw the bales higher. And grandpa is gonna keep that trailer moving fast enough to keep you jogging from bale to bale. But eventually you get the trailer loaded to the point where the old farm truck is barely able to pull it.
3. Now you get to take it back to the barn and unload it. Yay. This is easy at first cause the trailer is stacked so high that the first layer or two might be above the barn loft. But then as you get lower on the stack you have to throw higher and higher up to the barn.
Also remember this is summer in the south where the temp is 100F and the humidity is 100%. Also you're covered in sweat, dirt, dust and hay seeds within the first thirty minutes. Evil Evil hay.
But by the end of summer you were in great shape for football practice.
I do miss the old barn.
 
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