I have come to the conclusion................

Yvsa

Yvsa

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I have come to the conclusion.................

......That I'm very glad to be the age that I am and hope with that age there is a bit of wisdom that goes along with it.

My emotions have ran the full gamut this week from intense rage to intense helplessness and every nuance of each and every feeling in between.
I imagine the same is true of most that frequent this forum.

And in all spite of all these emotions I have had to pull myself up short and do a retake and evaluation of my personal beliefs and convictions just in order to understand a bit of exactly where I stand and why.
This attack on our nation and especially the innocents that were harmed and killed in the most despicable way has rocked the very foundation of my being.
And again I imagine that I am not the only one who frequents this forum that has either had similar feelings or self introspection.

I have been reading in some of the other forums and other sources, not just on bladeforums, and have seen many posts and things written and said that I thought were 1st posted or written by those very young and without experience with many words like 'rag heads' and other ethnic references and epithets that are less than savory nor have no understanding nor wants understanding of other people's views or values.
It seems that there are way too many that would lash out indiscriminately to anyone that fulfills their particular and very broad description of those responsible for this act of war that was visited upon our country and then much too often I have came to the conclusion that all of those posting or writing such hatred are not the young nor inexperienced.
That to me is inexcusable and is the result of anger and fear and ignorance speaking instead of someone who hasn't taken the time to think things through, especially of the older young men I've heard talking who should know better.

I have also came to the conclusion......... that I personally am not qualified to make the decisions that our leaders are going to have to make in the coming times.
I do not envy them their jobs in times like these nor do I envy them their jobs in time of peace.
The leaders are always caught in the middle of things where it's very difficult if not impossible to always do the right thing to the satisfaction of everyone.
Such is the life of the diplomat and compromise that generally makes up the contents of our life's.
Sometimes there can be no compromise and I fear, yet applaud, the given that there can be no compromise with the war that our enemies have at last provoked us into.
I have little doubt that for a while our success(es) in this war will be an uplifting and exhilarating benefit to our
country.
But we're not going to be successful all the time and I fear there will be further atrocities committed by the terrorists which could have much worse attrition than that which we have already
experienced.
It is going to be very difficult to control the monster that Could be unleashed, not the monster that our enemies have unleashed, but the monster(s) that we could become.
I pray that our leaders have the intestinal fortitude and long suffering to follow through with any actions that we as a people start.
More than that I Pray that the American People still have the moxxy and pure guts that we displayed in the other wars we have fought and won.
We have grown fat and lazy, but I Pray that we have not grown complaisant and that we will have the courage to continue to send our sons and daughters into a war like no other has ever been fought before.
As you all know I am not a Christian nor apt to become one because I have chained the monster within with the Old Ways of my people that I could not chain with Christianity and that I will never unchain again, and yet saying this I do wonder if there may not be some truth in the prophecies that were written so long
ago.
There have been many accounts of creation stories as well as the stories of the end times by people all over the world of different cultures and mindsets that are all very similar.
The Christian prophecies of the end times stand out more I think, at least to me personally, because they are more well known to the people of this nation.
The reason I bring this subject up is because of all the wars that has been fought on our planet I believe that this war may be more of a war of good against evil than any ever fought before, but perhaps that has been thought by others of the wars before this one, something I have never thought of before.

Most people don't realize that the true warrior wants peace beyond anything else and that when the true warrior goes into battle it's not because of their bloodlust and the desire for wanton killing, it's because the true warrior has a job to do that must be done in spite of how he/she personally feels.
And in times of war and battle the true warrior has to do things that he/she utterly detests.
And in knowing and realizing these things about ourselves if indeed we are true warriors that means we can fight our wars without hatred for our foe's and with a certain modicum of compassion for our enemies, doing our jobs with honor.
It really saddens me that in general the way of the true warrior cannot be taught without much time and study and meditation, it must be learned like so many other important achievements of our lives, alone and in
battle.
The possible obverse of not learning the way of the true warrior and consequently being comfortable in your own skin and knowing a certain peace is releasing a monster that is almost impossible to control and that is continually at war with itself.

I have came to the conclusion........ that I am content to do what I can do with what I have to help us win this war and hopefully by my words give a young and brave unblooded warrior a glimpse into themselves not only for war but also for peace.
Not all wars are fought in physical combat.

May the God(s) be with all of us during the coming war..............
 
Yvsa,
"I am a Christian"! My views are more to the RIGHT than anyone I know,does this make me less tolorant of others views?I don't think so! Blues as all of you know ,is my friend & in Fl. where I reside!I know not ,what his religous views are, but if these SOB'S tried to waste him(don't believe it would be easy)& it would cost me my life to help him,it's a done deal!! Why?? Because he's my friend, AND most important HE is an AMERICAN!!I don't care WHAT COLOR, REIGION, SEX the person is,BEING AN AMERICAN says it all! It's US against those SOB's! I'm angry,now they say if we strike,THEY will strike back!!I'M ANGRY"SOME AMERICAN IS GONNA KILL THAT SOB"AND IT AIN'T GONNA BE ME!!
jim
 
These are troubled times and will continue to be so. Dealing with our own feelings is very difficult. Some can do it better than others. Thanks for help, all. I think the immediate objective is to stick together and try to do what is just and right.

God bless (and help) America and all of us.
 
I too am worried for our nation. If you battle monsters you risk becoming a monster. Every moment of every day since Tuesday morning I have been trembling inside with repressed rage. I can literally feel myself shaking inside with the need to take some substantial action against the enemies of civilization.
 
We will need all the wisdom we can come by in the coming days.

Now more than ever it makes sense to listen closely when the elders are speaking.
 
Wow Yvsa! Thats a big post!!! Well said, we are at war with terrorists and not a religion, or nationality. Befor we knew it it could have been done by fellow Americans like OK City/ Tim Mcvaey! But I still say lets Bomb those countrys that Harbor them and take them over! If that means killing innocents over there in the process than so be it! LETS GET 'EM GUYS!!!
 
Very well said Yvsa

As usual, your words have helped me understand my own feelings and thoughts about this.

I thank you for posts such as these, and I for one hope you never stop making them.

Rob
 
Originally posted by MauiRob
Very well said Yvsa

As usual, your words have helped me understand my own feelings and thoughts about this.

I thank you for posts such as these, and I for one hope you never stop making them.

Rob
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Thanks for the encouragement Rob. I sorta had some misgivings about posting that, but my thoughts and goals are, "If I can help only one"
then I have succeeded in doing what I intended.
I was told many years ago by someone I have a lot of respect for that "wisdom came when one could learn by the experiences and mistakes of others."
I know that my life has been much easier by paying attention to those words.

But that's just when we're discussing serious subjects. I like to have fun just as well as the next person.:D
 
Osiyo,

Very well said, Yvsa. The voice of the elders (and the ancients) are needed now.

I don't know, but I have a suspicion that it will be a matter of days before we are at war. 3-4.

I have had mixed feeling from having a mixed upbringing- Indian and white, about America and being an American more than once in this life. I must say that I don't have those questions stirring around in my soul anymore. I am proud of being American and I'm ready to fight.
 
I would also add that the recent tragedy is not just a USA issue, but one that every member of civilization needs to support(Even Prez Bush said so...). Speaking for myself, just on general principles, all terrorists should be targetted, not just Bin Ladin and his crowd and... no mercy. They(the terrorists) will get as good as they gave or worse than they ever could imagine. No exceptions.

If and when the anti terrorist campaign begins, this will NOT be completed in a few days or weeks or months. This is going to take considerable time and like it or not, the terrorists will attempt to strike back. Whether they are successful or not(hopefully NOT!) will be due to the efforts of the antiterrorist forces. So, support your police, secret services, and armed forces as these boys and girls will be going in harm's way for our benefit. Ongoing support from us will make their job slightly less hard, knowing we'll be there to back them up.

Just a thought...

Harry
 
Yvsa,

Very well said. I have been fighting an internal conflict since last Tuesday's attack.

One part of me would like to do anything to avoid a war. War is distructive, painful, expensive, and wasteful of the youthful energies of an entire generation. It is guaranteed to generate serious internal divisions which will plague our domestic politics for many years to come. I am not even sure that a war defined a vaguely as the one we are about to embark on is winable. We have no idea how much this war will consume, or for how long. How do you even know when you have "won" something like this?

Yet, another part of me shares your anger and frustration. Anger because of the shear senseless distructiveness of the attack, and the frustration of knowing that no matter what action we take, the people who carried out this attack will continue to attack us for as long as they are physically capable. We cannot resolve this through reason. To these people we are not even real; we are just an external demon, a scapegoat to carry the blame for their own domestic shortcommings.

And what about our own domestic situation? We are on the verge of some major social and scientific breakthroughs. Perhaps within a generation we will be able to find cures for deseases that have plagued us throughout recorded history. We might discover new resources to make lie of all of the gloomy projections made so eagerly by prior generations. Then there are the many new products that stand to revolutionize the efficiency with which we utilize existing resources.

But, this promising new world will have to wait, for now our energies must now be committed to this war.

I understand and accept the saber ratalling for what it is. It is just the mechanism used by folks to prepare themselves for what is to come. Our opponents must be reduced to nameless automations, and the many issues reduced to a mere score card. It is probably the only way that a rational person can begin to accept the wonton distruction that is so clearly headed our way.

Lets' hope we make it through this quickly.

n2s
 
Well said Yvsa. I am a Christian and I just want to caution those who would take the prohecies in Revalation lightly, or jump to conclusions. They are mysterious and not fully understood. Beware of those who are quick to interpret them or too confident in their interpretations. The prophecies are true, I believe, but Jesus said in scripture to not believe any who say they know when they will happen. He says that only the Father knows and many terrible things will happen before hand and that they will be birth pangs. I am not saying Yvsa has done this, but you are bound to hear people slinging this kind of thing around. Yvsa has approached it with respect and caution and I thank him for that. We all need to respect others beliefs especially when they are not our own.
 
All major religions and some personal belief systems are present here and the reason we can all get along is because we do indeed respect all of them. If only the world would follow the example of this forum I think it would be a better place.
 
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