This afternoon, actually just a bit ago I sharpened a couple of Victorinox Kitchen Knives. I had been steeling them probably for the last 8 months so I thought it was overdue for a sharpening. I thought about breaking out my Hapstone because I have read that Victorinox Kitchen Knives come 30 deg inclusive from the factory. I also know from what I read that the Victorinox are relatively soft steel? Well I decided to run them across my DMT Diamond Stones F/EF and do it free hand, something that I am getting more and more comfortable doing. Well, as you probably know the DMT worked their magic and didn’t take long at all to do their bidding. To my delightful surprise, it cut against the grain of telephone book paper, with ease. What is frustrating for me is, my Spyderco's that are 40 deg inclusive cannot cut through phone book paper against the grain (for me anyway). With the grain is no problem but against is a different story. I am thinking of taking my Spydies to a 30 deg inclusive, anybody else do this?