I like weapons

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Kazmo

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Forgive me for not putting this at the end of the "Sheeple" thread, but I felt the topic warranted its own thread.

The next time someone asks me why I carry a knife (or two) I'm saying something along the lines of:

"I like weapons. They make me feel good. There's something undeniably pleasant about the first second I hold a knife, connecting myself to its weight and balance. What follows is even better; as I've secured my grip and made it a part of me, I find a deeper connection. There's a thrill, however subtle, every time I touch a weapon because it makes me aware of the deeply-ingrained instinct I have inherited from my ancestors."

I know, I know - no one's going to react to that positively, but dammit, it's true. There is no better way to get in tune with my primal heritage as a man, and tapping into that energy from thousands of years of instinct is powerful!!
That's why I carry a knife, besides it being quite handy. I truly feel pity for those who are so disconnected from themselves that they can't get that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not irresponsible; I don't go out of my way to make anyone uncomfortable when I use a knife to open or cut something - I usually just casually remind them that something needs opening or cutting and leave it at that.

But come on, I rarely hear anyone say it - don't you just plain like weapons? I LOVE them! Guns, knives and swords, baby!! I own some of each, and I'm thinking about getting a spear or two. If anyone asked me why, I'd say "'Cause they're FUN!" and laugh maniacally as they rub my name out of their address book.

So let's stop pussyfootin' around and get T-shirts that say "Sharp edges make me happy", I'm tired of acting like these are completely utilitarian devices. They're nothing so prosaic; to me, they are nothing less than reminders of my humanity.

Mal Kazi
 
Kasmo,

Not THAT's refreshing, man! Very well put. I feel exactly the same way. :)

Best wishes, Jeff/1911.
 
If you make those comments, you'll be going out of your way to make people feel uncomfortable.

You may even extend and enhance peoples perception that all knife carrying people have the same attitude.

It can be frightening to others less knowledgeable about pocket knives, when they are already making comments about the knife and have commented relative their fear of personal knives carried by just anyone on the street.

They'll likely think those remarks are coming from a criminal of some sort.

It's not what people know, it's what they think they know which becomes their reality. You have just convinced them that no one should be carryng a pocket knife to begin with.

They are voters who can be heard at the polls and write letters to their legislatures. Down the road, you may just be considered someone who advanced the early demise of any pocket knife being legal to carry by anyone.

The road is heading in that direction now, do we reallly need to push them along by pushing their buttons?

Let me ask you--------would you tell a cop who stopped you and asked you the same thing what you wrote above? Think about it. If thats your answer, you should be willing to make the same statements to a judge, cop or jury.

If you are ready to do that, go for it. Otherwise I'd reconsider. You, as a folder/knife carrier represent the community of us as a whole in many peoples minds.

Brownie
 
Brownie -

The part in quotes in my original thread is meant to be facetious - it's followed by a paragraph (starting with don't get me wrong) describing what I actually say to people as one who is cognizant of the politically sensitive nature of knives. I do feel the responsibility you are right to bring to mind about not sounding like a whacko.

However, my point is that I am NOT a whacko. I like cooking, music, photography, gardening, poetry, pinot noir, nice shoes and WEAPONS!!!!!

I'm just aware of why I like weapons, and I think that a cogent argument can be made in polite society that it's okay to admire a balanced, finely honed knife.

Mal Kazi
 
I'm aware of why I like weapons, too, and I hope that a cogent argument can be made here on Bladeforums that it's okay to admire a balanced, finely honed knife without anyone misinterpreting their appeal! :D
 
Awesome! :D ;) I had to make my wife read this so she understood why I have so many guns,knives etc. and that i'm not the only guy that thinks this way. preach it brother
 
"Sharp things make me happy", I like that.

You've got a problem son. I don't think that getting spears is the solution, they are so darn inconvenient to carry around. You should take up knife throwing. You think that holding a knife or chopping at things is satisfying...it doesn't compare to the chunk of a well thrown knife nailing a target.

OK, ok, spears are cool too, but knives are faster. Now if I'm really in a bad mood hatchets make a nice statement, but throwing knives, now there is poetry.
 
sasqualogist said:
Awesome! :D ;) I had to make my wife read this so she understood why I have so many guns,knives etc. and that i'm not the only guy that thinks this way. preach it brother
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Can I get a amen - I said - can I get a AMEN!!!
:)

Mal Kazi
 
Thank you Kazmo for so eloquently expressing what I feel also when I am around weapons. I never thought that my affection for all things military is genetic but I guess I am genetically predisposed. I remember when I was 12 or so my dad called me a "minor military nut". :)
 
Talk about singing to the choir reminds me of Sammy Davis Junior. Now there was a guy who could sing, and was also fond of guns and knives. He had two great songs that come immediately to my mind. The first is "What kind of Fool Am I" which I can't hear without choking up, and the second is "Bang Bang" from the movie Robin and the Seven Hoods, which I can't hear without smiling with glee.

"Now that's the prettiest sound you'll ever hear...
It's just like heavenly music to my ear...
man I get such a boot...when I hear rooty-toot-toot,
I always feel high when a rod is nearby...
..cuz I like the fun of reaching for a gun and going bang, bang
I come alive each time a .45 ..."

(I can't remember, or never caught all the lyrics,
but you'd have to see Sammy dancing on the bar as he dismantles a speakeasy with two revolvers and finally a Thompson with a 100 round drum. It's also funny to watch him get about 35 shots out of one revolver and maybe another 25 out of the other.)
 
Kazmo said:
The next time someone asks me why I carry a knife (or two) I'm saying something along the lines of:
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Why not ask them why they aren't carrying a knife and add a simple quote:
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
-- Sigmund Freud
 
Kazmo,

"a cogent argument can be made in polite society that it's okay to admire a balanced, finely honed knife."

No liberal I know is polite when it comes to weapons discussion. On this board and others, sure, but on the street, no.

The more we bring our beliefs to their forefront, the more they will attempt to enforce their beliefs on us with regulations, like we need more restrictions on objects instaed of individuals actions.

It's imperative not to "provoke" through words or actions, those who are in positions of power, as they always take it as a challenge to autonomy and work very diligently to take away all we hold dear.

Among friends, no problem. Among the sheeple of the world [ general public ], best to let slepping dogs stay that way. Brought to the forefront, it becomes their next issue until they have met their own agenda.

I use a sheeple freindly knife when others are around and can see. The SD blades stay out of sight, like they should until they are needed for their intended purpose.

You'll never convince a liberal bleeding heart that he is wrong on weapons issues of any kind. We only enflame them and they take it as a challenge to prove us wrong until they have restricted or disarmed us.

Fight the fight when it's necessary. To me, that means keeping my weapons concealed from their view at all times.

Brownie
 
"Fight the fight when it's necessary."

Even though this thread has primarily been tongue and cheek, I'll throw this post out there for thought. I'm not at all trying to start an argument but I'll just throw out this thought as a little "devil's advocate" point of view. Our society has dramatically changed through time from the days when it was started, essentially with the inception of the ideals contained in the Constitution and its inherent wisdom, by our forefathers. Actually, I do believe that the core assumptions and values of the Constitution are so elementally correct about humanity at its best that those principals transcend time and societal change. Granted, I'll give you that our current society is far more demographically complex than what existed 200 + years ago, but some of our societal changes, in what are accepted as "esteemed values", are the result of our own melancholy and not just resultant from the pressures of demographic changes in society. I don't mean this post to sound bigoted at all. Our country's greatest strength depends upon it's demographic diversity. However, even in our modern times, the Constitution and it's over-riding principals of individual freedom and responsibility are the navigator which all peoples of the USA should cling to as the north star for guidance.

Today, we seem to have an overly litigious society where it is not even "socially" acceptable (the values of which seem frequently determined by media and not the constitution) to publicly express viewpoints that emphasize personal freedom and personal responsibility, either moral or physical, for fear of being sued or having the rules changed to squash anything that's not politically correct (again, frequently seemingly determined by media as it steers the public's moral code). As time goes on, people are turning over the maintenance of their own moral compasses and personal freedoms and responsibilities to legal codes, which now seem to function as no more than elaborate manipulation tools for those in power rather than as accessories to the Constitution for the protection of its citizens.

Some might argue that, with a morally bankrupt population (and I'm not at all equating morality with Christianity), with so many rules and regulations, and with a legal code and enforcement system so vast that I'm certain we are all breaking some law some of the time without even knowing it, that the time to "fight the fight" is now, and is necessary.

As an aside, I'm a history buff and there's many things about our current society that very much remind me of things going on within the Roman Empire, right before it began its dramatic decline and fall. Of course, I'm guilty as well of nearly everything I've written in my post. I often try to blend, I often compromise too often, and I don't pursue an active role in my own government to protect the values of the Constitution from those that would do it harm, both internally and externally. Perhaps I should...

OK, have fun with this. :D
 
brownie0486 said:
Kazmo,

"a cogent argument can be made in polite society that it's okay to admire a balanced, finely honed knife."

No liberal I know is polite when it comes to weapons discussion. On this board and others, sure, but on the street, no.

The more we bring our beliefs to their forefront, the more they will attempt to enforce their beliefs on us with regulations, like we need more restrictions on objects instaed of individuals actions.

It's imperative not to "provoke" through words or actions, those who are in positions of power, as they always take it as a challenge to autonomy and work very diligently to take away all we hold dear.

Among friends, no problem. Among the sheeple of the world [ general public ], best to let slepping dogs stay that way. Brought to the forefront, it becomes their next issue until they have met their own agenda.

I use a sheeple freindly knife when others are around and can see. The SD blades stay out of sight, like they should until they are needed for their intended purpose.

Fight the fight when it's necessary. To me, that means keeping my weapons concealed from their view at all times.

Brownie
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Brownie you make some valid points, but I'd argue that the more we hide our beliefs that carrying a knife as a tool is acceptable behavior, the more we send a message that it's acceptable to regulate us through enforcement as you indicated.

By carrying and using my knife, I don't provoke, I hope to show that this is acceptable behavior and not to be confused with violence, weaponry, etc. Knives are tools, after all. If our detractors (aka lawmakers in some cases) only see knives used as weapons on TV and in Film or the only time they read about a knife is when some whacko kills someone with it, they'll always see knives as a negative. However, if those same folks see the occasional knife as a tool used in rescue situations or even see a fine custom knife used to open my mail at my desk, perhaps they grow more accustomed to the positves and not just the negatives.

I'd say, don't hide one's beliefs / knives, use them appropriately and in public when necessary. That doesn't mean I'll pick my teeth at a restaurant with a 12" bowie, but I may pull my new custom Obenauf out of my suit jacket at work to open a fedex package and not think twice about it.

If I'm misinterpreting your post I apologize. Just adding an optional view.

Best,

patrick
 
Nobody said:
"Fight the fight when it's necessary."

Even though this thread has primarily been tongue and cheek, I'll throw this post out there for thought. I'm not at all trying to start an argument but I'll just throw out this thought as a little "devil's advocate" point of view. Our society has dramatically changed through time from the days when it was started, essentially with the inception of the ideals contained in the Constitution and its inherent wisdom, by our forefathers. Actually, I do believe that the core assumptions and values of the Constitution are so elementally correct about humanity at its best that those principals transcend time and societal change. Granted, I'll give you that our current society is far more demographically complex than what existed 200 + years ago, but some of our societal changes, in what are accepted as "esteemed values", are the result of our own melancholy and not just resultant from the pressures of demographic changes in society. I don't mean this post to sound bigoted at all. Our country's greatest strength depends upon it's demographic diversity. However, even in our modern times, the Constitution and it's over-riding principals of individual freedom and responsibility are the navigator which all peoples of the USA should cling to as the north star for guidance.

Today, we seem to have an overly litigious society where it is not even "socially" acceptable (the values of which seem frequently determined by media and not the constitution) to publicly express viewpoints that emphasize personal freedom and personal responsibility, either moral or physical, for fear of being sued or having the rules changed to squash anything that's not politically correct (again, frequently seemingly determined by media as it steers the public's moral code). As time goes on, people are turning over the maintenance of their own moral compasses and personal freedoms and responsibilities to legal codes, which now seem to function as no more than elaborate manipulation tools for those in power rather than as accessories to the Constitution for the protection of its citizens.

Some might argue that, with a morally bankrupt population (and I'm not at all equating morality with Christianity), with so many rules and regulations, and with a legal code and enforcement system so vast that I'm certain we are all breaking some law some of the time without even knowing it, that the time to "fight the fight" is now, and is necessary.

As an aside, I'm a history buff and there's many things about our current society that very much remind me of things going on within the Roman Empire, right before it began its dramatic decline and fall. Of course, I'm guilty as well of nearly everything I've written in my post. I often try to blend, I often compromise too often, and I don't pursue an active role in my own government to protect the values of the Constitution from those that would do it harm, both internally and externally. Perhaps I should...

OK, have fun with this. :D
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Excellent post. It is very hard, in our current social and political climate, to maintain hope sometimes, isn't it? Makes me sad and angry. I'm not sure what I can do as one man though.
 
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