I manage to see the new Alamo movie yesterday and today...

not2sharp

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The post office just dropped this one off today. It is 18 inches OAL with a 3/8 inch 5160 blade a full 12 inches long. The file work is nice; and with a balance point about a 1/2 inch in front of the guard it feels very lively. Bill Seigle makes excellent no nonsense knives, and this one can be displayed next to my HI Ks without looking overly petite. Funny thing; although, it was ordered many months ago, it does look a quite a bit like the knife carried by Bowie in the latest Alamo film. What did Bill Siegle know, and when did he know it? :cool: :p

n2s
 
N2S--that's a fine looking bowie. Bill Siegle makes some very nice knives. Tough and functional, yet elegant.
--Josh
 
i think a lot of the bueaty in bills knives gets lost in straight on photography, and flatbed scans...

not to say that these pictures dont serve a very good purpose, its just that so many other knife makers and companies have their knives shown at artsy angles to to accentuate curves and textures, and ive never seen that will any of bills knives... i know their bueatiful, they just never get to show it off here on the forums :)
 
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Here is a shot of the spine. The distortions are purely from my unartistic photography. :D The knife also has a visible temper line which shows that the edge has been hardened back for about an inch. I will try to get that on a photo this weekend.

The knife was based on an early 19th century bowie. I gave Bill the dimensions, a photo, and asked him to make it about 2-1/2 lbs (the weight of the original). He came in at 2 lbs 9 ozs. ; a remarkable feat since he doesn't own a postal scale. :eek:

It also looks a bit like the HI Cherokee Rose.....

n2s
 
N2S - nice pointy thingies....:D

BTW, did you know that Greco's closing up shop? (I thought I remembered you having a few of his)
 
How was it?

I must say that this historian would root fer Santa Anna, a noble and able general, out to protect the rights of folks in what was Mexico.

(Course, I also rooted fer the nDns and other N&S American natives to kill Columbus, Cortez, DeLeon, etc on the beaches and burn their galleys into the sea.)

You know why Colombus was looking to hook up in India? Opium shortage in Europe. Thassrite, he was looking to secure 'dealer' rights in India for doped-up Europe. U C, from 700 on, Muslims controlled the Opium trade (among other drugs) in Spain, Portugal, etc. When the Muslims were ousted in 1492, A buncha royals and such needed a fix. Enter Christopher Drugbus...

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You can imagine the conversation he might have had on the beach with the nDns (I'll trans it all 2 english fer this lengua-in-cheek parody...fer fun, assume that CC speaks like Keanu Reeves in "Bill&Ted's")...

CC: Dude!
nDn: Hey, this is a private beach.
CC:I am the representative of a most excellent foreign power that is looking to score. Ya got any?
nDn:Any what?
CC:Look, Haji, maybe you could take me to the Raja or whatever. Hey, where is everybody? I hear there was magnificent architecure, legendary beasts, gold and dancing women, drugs etc. All I see is trees.
nDn:That IS our 'city.'
CC (To the Crew): Dudes, I think we took a wrong turn in that storm.
Crew: Bogus!
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There's plenty more true history hidden behind the lies and legends in ye avg. history book/class.

(No offense intended with this.)

Keith
 
Ferrous?

I thought he was looking for pepper to cover the taste of the spoiled, unrefrigerated meat in Europe.

Huh. Doper eh? Whodathunk?

Kis
 
How was it?

The movie was far better then the previous Alamo movies. However, the PC-13 rating, not to mention the politically correct ommission of Fannen's massacre (he surrenderd 600 men and the Mexicans executed them) was a dumb move as the movie loses much of its potential sting. A couple of drops of blood and a bit of dust are a long ways from portraying the horrors of war a la Saving Private Ryan or Schinler's List.

There are about 6-7 distinctive bowies, a hawk or two, boarding axes, and an assortment of swords for eye candy.

n2s
 
Hee hee! That's funny!

That may be what they teach in school, but that's because the establishment does not want kiddies in elementary school (sadly, even colleges) to know that their historic heroes were simple humans, alcoholoics, druggies, victims of abuse, murderers, duellists, infected with gonhorrea, etc. I mean, most folks would like to think that the "Crusades" were noble of purpose, or that Cortes was really wanting to be buddies with the folks of S and Central America, and wasn't out to take their gold and land, or that the "Unification and Reformation" of Europe was a nice, clean transition it Xtianity (and that it wasn't just a way to consolidate the powers of the crown and church fer money and kill lotsa dissenters), or we ignore whow the Catholic church turned a blind eye to the plight of the Jews in Nazi germany, or how disease was used INTENTIONALLY to wipe out whole cultures, tribes, and populations to make way for colonization...does anyone think that God actually wanted the Inquisition? Wanted his folks to kill and torture in his name? (Passion of Christ, my arse! How come the folks with the most peaceful gods are warlike, and the ones with war gods more peacful?)

How we turn some into hereoes and others into villains on the historic stage is really a matter of 'spin.' It is the 'why' that becomes insidious.

Let's take history's fave villains of the 20th c., the Nazis. Now, we all beat them, but then we take all their technlology (yes, including the biotech info on cloning and all sorts of other data gathered during hideous human testing, rocket tech, , chem weapons like sarin, guided ballistic missile tech, etc) and use it as our own. So in essence the tech of the bad guys is the foundations for the latter 20th c tech we have, and we wouldn;t have jets or rockets without them. We took the very data they gathered from bio experiments on jews, and kinda looked the other way, like it was some 'necessary evil' but our hands are clean right?

Food fer thought, like it or not. History, as it is written, is nothing more than an agreed upon set of lies. Ever read a Brit history book on the Rev War? A Mexican history book on the colonization attempts of slave-owning 'americans' in Mexcan territory? (The Mexicans did not allow the enslavement of folks at the time of the 'winning' of Texas, and were basically fighting for freedom--go Santa Anna!).

One cannot read one book on a subject and know the subject, you just know the subjectivity of the writers or agenda setters at the time it was written. Not 20 years ago, Russians were 'the enemy,' evil folk to be punched out by Rocky Balboa or shot from the sky by a teenager in "Iron Eagle." What has changed? Only the SPIN, my friend...

Keith
 
Ferrous Wheel said:
Food fer thought, like it or not. History, as it is written, is nothing more than an agreed upon set of lies.

Ever read a Brit history book on the Rev War?

A Mexican history book on the colonization attempts of slave-owning 'americans' in Mexcan territory?
(The Mexicans did not allow the enslavement of folks at the time of the 'winning' of Texas, and were basically fighting for freedom--go Santa Anna!).

One cannot read one book on a subject and know the subject, you just know the subjectivity of the writers or agenda setters at the time it was written.

Keith
Spot on Keith!!!! Us ndns have a different, and I think much more honest, account of history seen from our standpoint.
The real ndn stories just tell what happened without adding any whys and wherefores to justify actions taken.
But on the other hand we have a few writers, like Ward Churchill, who tend to have an agenda and although what they write is generally true it isn't altogether without malice.
 
Agreed, Ferrous.

But, to add, that is spot on with what I did learn in college. Having attended a liberal arts college....we didn't always go "by the book"...;)
 
History, as it is written, is nothing more than an agreed upon set of lies.

I wouldn't go so far as to call written history a lie. But, unless you are dealing with specific first hand material, it is an opinion and at best an agreed upon set of assumptions. Anyone interested in history should make it a point to read through as many diverse views as they can achieve. It is not a novel, it is real life, where even the history of 5 minutes ago can be taken from billions of distinct perspectives. Many of our heros are mired in myth, and you have to dig deep to come up with something resembling real life. Like mud, layers of fabrication, assumptions, and half-truths simply accumulate over a base skeleton of basic facts to slowly bury the real history. I suspect that most of the guys who dies at the Alamo were anything but the well settled middle class patriots that we like to portray. Alot of them were probably there because they were wanted by both US and Mexican authorities. They simply had no other place to be and no choice but to fight for survival.

n2s
 
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