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ducks_and_bucks66

ducks_and_bucks66

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This may not be the place for this, but I made this purchase recently in an effort to try and complete (or at least get closer to completing) my OT collection. I may have some duplicates available and wouldn't mind doing some trading if anyone's interested once I find out what all I've got.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWN:IT&viewitem=&item=130086572166&rd=1&rd=1

Kinda silly buying them sight unseen like that but at less than $10 each, I figured I could at least make my money back selling the ones I didn't need. I'd rather trade though with someone who may need some for a collection....
 
Kinda silly buying them sight unseen like that but at less than $10 each...
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"Good Condition" is too vague for me. "Good" as in never used, or "good" as in they still have most of their blades?

Hard to say from the photo exactly what each model number will be, but if one of those happens to be a 93OT, 106OT, 858OT, or a Primble 934 in unused condition, let me know. I'm sure we'll be able to work something out.

The lack of boxes isn't critical, but I don't collect used knives...

I'm also collecting tang stamp variations. Most of my models have the newer SCHRADE / USA xOT. So if you come accross a Schrade-Walden or Schrade over NY USA, I might be able to use them also.

-Bob
 
Maybe I am out of touch, but are any of those truly collectible knives? They seem awfully common to me.
 
Well, if you could tell me the patterns, I suppose I could tell you if they're collectible. I need about 25 to have one of every OT pattern. So, if they're something I need to fill my collection, I suppose they would be collectible. And, since they're no longer being produced, I would guess that would add to the collectibility of the knives. But, I am a newbie, so take that for what it's worth. :)
 
Maybe I am out of touch, but are any of those truly collectible knives? They seem awfully common to me.
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I think many OldTimer collectors are attracted to them for that very reason - they are 'common', Knives like our grandfathers and fathers carried, nothing special at all, but perhaps the most popular knife brands in cutlery history.

As far as whether an OldTimer has "value" depends on several factors. Many models are hard to come by, or at least the demand is higher than current supplies on the resale market. Some models and variations are truely rare. Condition is critical when considering collectibility, simply because there were so many made. The age is a strong factor as well, if a knife displays tang stamps or packaging styles that haven't been available for decades.

Also keep in mind that it's only been three years since the last Schrade Old Timers were made. So long-term collector interest is still an unknown at this point.

Thanks for asking; I enjoy explaining my hobby to others.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Nicely said BoB. I think that pretty much explains how most here feel.
DB, when you get done picking through that lot I would like to be in line for the xtras you have.
Dave
 
How can you ask If old timers are truly collectible at the schrade forum. thats primarly what I collect. And I think a lot of others are in the same boat. 2 factors here they are no longer produced and I collect them. If for no other reason that makes them collectible to me. Watch some of these e-bay auctions in the last 3 minnutes for some old timers "truly collectible" knives it gets pretty competetive. Id say thats a factor also. D&B I'm in line for your extras too. thanks-joel
 
D&B, at$9.20 each you did O.K,..providing of course they actually have blades when you get them!..Someone else bid $200 as underbidder so you already know the demand for them....They are not making anymore and I would assume someone accumulated that many because they were kinda collecting so you could assume you could take an optimistic rather than pessimistic view...I bet you find they are in better condition than you imagine.Try and buy them individually and see what you would pay! IMHO. Hoo Roo
 
Hey all,

What I received wasn't in the greatest shape. I did receive a nice 194OT that I'll probably have Dale do his magic on, a 77OT that Dale has asked for (if he wants it), the 104OTs that I spoke about in the other post. DaveinNY has first dibs on a 12OT, a 33OT and a 34OT. That leaves me with 4 34OT, 3 33OT, 7 12OT. If anyone wants one, I would only ask for shipping costs. I wouldn't want to charge anyone for these knives as they all need some cleaning (although there are some 12OTs that are halfway decent). All I ask is that if you are wanting some for your own use, please only ask for one of each, if you need them. I pretty much bit the bullet on these but if you can use one, let me know via e-mail. I will give them out first-come, first- served that I receive the requests via e-mail (ducks1166@comcast.net). I will be leaving in about an hour and will respond as soon as I can. All of these knives are tang stamped Schrade (no +).

I did receive one that was a 34OT that was tang stamped Schrade NY USA, which makes it somewhat older, I think, so I'll keep that one. I hope no one has a problem with me doing this (I'm in the Schrade collecting business for the knives; not to make money).

Marc
 
34OT that was tang stamped Schrade NY USA, which makes it somewhat older
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Could be from the 1980s or a bit older. I don't know exact dates, but I think there's abeen a number of 34OT discussions on the forum that might have the answer.
The oldest 34OT I have has a tang stamp that reads:
SCHRADE
WALDEN
NY USA
the "34OT" is stamped on the reverse side of the tang.

At $9 each and they're in good enought shape for using, I guess you did OK after all. Can't even buy a Chinese OldTimer for that...

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Bob W said:
Can't even buy a Chinese OldTimer for that...

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I wouldn't even consider buying one for that:D

No, in all honesty, I didn't do that bad. I got plenty of EDC knives and after talking with Dale on the phone, I left feeling even better about the purchase. I got a really nice 194OT that Dale is going to transform into another work of art, I got him a 77OT that he's going to transform into a piece of art for himself, a 34OT that's older than the one I already have and a 108OT with an unusual 104OT blade. And, I get to help some friends from here with their collection. I also feel like I've kept a small piece of American knifemaking from being thrown away. Life is good. I do have a silly question for the experts on here. I've noticed that there is a distinct color differences in the delrin handles. I have some that are a lot darker than others. Was there a time difference that this took place or was this also one of their running changes at Schrade and if so, can you date the knifes from that color difference? Sorry for the silly questions......I have this incredible thirst for Schrade knowledge (like everyone else) and I like getting the info from those in the know so that Imay one day pass it on.

On a side note, if you ever get a chance to talk to Orvet (Dale), do it. A heck of a nice guy and willing to let a newbie bend his ear with questions.
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Yes, the dye color and technique of the Old Timer Delrin handles is chronologically diagnostic. No, I don't know the dates offhand, but it's been discussed here before.

Best Wishes,
-Bob

Congradulations on tonight's auction by the way. I didn't know if you had bid high enough to survive the innevitable last-second bid; it was a real nail-biter. :)
 
Thanks Bob. I knew I was going to be working tonight, so I put a real high bid and figured if they went over it so be it. But, I've been willing to pay a little higher to get some of the knives that I think are harder to find on here. I did get a beautiful 89OT and a 93OT in the mail today that I paid a high price for but both of them were in pristine condition. If it gets me one step closer to meeting my goal of all OT and UH folders, so be it. Besides, my wife blows $4 every day at Fourbucks for a cup of coffee and what does she have to show for it but a trip to the bathroom every morning at 9 am? :eek:
 
D&B I don't collect f f f Folders but have a pretty good collection of fixed blades.I just wanted to say your what makes this forum great.People willing to share knowledge and share the wealth.Your an asset to the forum.Arnold
 
Thanks Toby. I'm not real sure about my knowledge just yet but I really enjoy the camaraderie here that is willing to take a newbie like me and teach me. I haven't had but a few folks ask me about the knives and I think maybe it comes as a shock to some. I'm just really not into collecting knives for the money (heck, at what I'm paying for some of these on Ebay, it'd take more years than I'll be alive to recoup my investment) but rather the historical portion of the knives. Every time I get a new knife, I feel like I'm collecting a part of American knifemaking history. I know that makes me sound like a hopeless romantic type of person (and my wife will attest I'm not) but I enjoy it. I'm lucky in that I don't have to think about whether I should buy a knife or pay a bill. I haven't always been in this position and I'd rather see someone who needs something have it and appreciate it than for me to have 7 12OT's that are exactly the same. I'd rather share the wealth.....it's healthier for me that way. I do appreciate the kind words.....now what do I have to do to turn you on to folders?:D
 
D&B66, I certainly did not mean to denigrate what you have chosen to collect. I guess everyone has their own ideas of what is a collectible knife and what is not. I was recently at an auction, and probably someone who deals with the NTSA was selling different brands, including schrades, by the pound. Everything went cheap, but everything was in used condition. I do hope you come out ok on your ebay purchase.
Pam
 
Pam,
No offense was taken on my part. I just wish more folks thought the way you did......I'd get by much cheaper on Ebay :D . So you know, Schrade was the knife that my father first bought me, so it also has sentimental value to me as well.

Marc
 
Marc,
Codger will probably along and answer your question about the color variations on the Schrade handles. Some where it was discussed in a thread here.

The short of what I recall is that the Delrin was put in a dye vat and the color cooked in. After dying so many the color would start to lighten and the person in charge of the dying would put more of the required ingredient to bring the color back to spec. IIRC, it was kind of a seat of the pants operation by people who really knew what they were doing, but there was obviously some variations. I used to mix paint in a few jobs I had many years ago, and you can get pretty good at guessing with plenty of practice. I imagine that is how Schrade managed the colors of the dye used on the Delrin.

OK Michael,
How did I do from my somewhat questionable memory?

Dale
 
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