I need a functional low priced sword!

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I'm looking for the best priced functional Japanese style sword available. I have about decided that the Criswell Sword ($349) is probably the best. Any other suggestions? I'm hoping to trade someone a new Timberline Spec War for some credit towards a Criswell Sword.
O.K. I want this sword to practice realistic Iaido and for personal/home defense if necessary. I want it to be a Japanese Katana that will actually hold up if used for defense. No tree chopping or land clearing!

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I would suggest that you check out Kris Cutlery. They are much cheaper the Criswell (they sell a 29 inch katana for under 200.00)
I don't have a url right now but if you do a yahoo search on "Kris Cutlery" you should find what you are looking for. They have all kinds of other styles too. Their swords are tough and well heat treated.
 
Kris Cutlery is good
Chen's stuff is pretty decent

--for the price, very good in Japanese-style sword dept.

You can also buy a $20 machete, give or take a few bucks.
 
My personnel advice would be to check out are very own Louis B. aka- TheMartialWay for a nice Chen Shinto Katana for not much more expensive than a Criswell.Mine was very nicely made and if you order from Louis he gives it a good inspection before shipping it to the customer.Good luck,Ralph
 
Depends on what you want to do with it, as Robert has sort of hinted at a machete, a lot of people use swords in a fashion not intended....chopping trees for instance. In that case a machete might be all you really need. I have both a Criswell sword and a Paul Chen Shinto Katana, the Chen is, as Tombstone writes, very well made and cuts nice, the Criswell is really more of a beater type sword, you can do more machete type chores with it and not feel bad, where as the Chen used in that manner might not hold up as well.
It depends on your intended use as to which you get, if you go with a Paul Chen Katana then by all means contact Louis, he does treat people very fair and checks them over before sending them out!

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Lol! I think perhaps Robert was being a little tongue in cheek there. In his mind (yeah I'm being a little presumptious but I think I'm correct) a criswell or a KC katana aren't all that far removed from a machete. Since our original poster said he wante a "japanese style" sword I doubt he will be interested in a machete.
 
Well KC's stuff I like..."out of box" it doesn't really impress me, but they do make wonderful "project swords" if one's willing to invest a little elbow grease and cash into making something for themselves. They can also probably beat the hell out of it like a machete if they want, but I don't advocate that crude behavior whatsoever under ANY circumstances. But get some files, some sandpaper and a piece of glass or ceramic tile...do some reshaping to clean up the lines more appropriately, give it a fair polish. If you get one of the better of the bunch, it'll be fairly well balanced and the minor reshaping and polish will go even further to improve the look and feel.

In fact, I was thinking of acquiring a KC wakizashi and carefully reshaping it from the quasi-shobu zukuri it was to a hira zukuri (no ridgeline, just simple convex V from spine to edge). This'd reduce the weight a bit, bring balance point back a little, it'd give me a bit of freedom in very lightly adding distal taper (5160 hardens relatively deeply I believe, some surface removal probably will not be a big detriment). It wouldn't be easy, but what I'd wind up with would be a high quality, handmade hira-zukuri wakizashi that I can use. And by use, I don't mean it's utilitarian. It's a martial arts tool.

But then I could suit it up with a nice handle, give it an OK polish, slap on a half-ass saya that I'd carve and finish myself, and I'd have myself a semi-custom sword that I was a part of, and that is comfortable for me to use. Plus it looks and feels good (not traditional heat treat but that isn't so important if you have proper shaping and cross section).

But that's how I feel. On the other hand, yeah there's lots of "swords" out there that I do deem as machetes. I'm not obligated, or necessarily even allowed to state which ones those would be, but they're out there, and people buy them.

Ahh well, nothing one can do about it.

Shinryû.
 
Heck there are a lot of "swords" out there that don't even qualify as good machetes. At least a machete is useful for clearing brush or something. Did you see that pic I posted over at SFI of that godawful sword of Merlin that that one guy wanted? Yuck! The guy was willing to buy the idea that it might not be functional, but then he wanted to know if he could get a functional blade put in that hideous hilt. Heck the hilt was the worst part! Complete with fake jewel and all!
 
<p align="justify">Bimmer1, I have a Criswell Wakizashi and Katana and for me it was a great investment. Great quality at a very reasonable price. When I get a camera I'll post the pictures. Contact Rich at <a href="http://www.knifemart.com/Knifmrt.htm#BEGIN%20KNIFE%20SELECTION">www.knifemart.com</a> to get yourself one of these great swords. I paid $310.00 (that price includes the cost of shipping) for my Criswell Katana.</p>

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I don't know, for that same price you could get two KC katanas. Or a KC katana and another of KC's offering if you like. If you are going to spend that kind of money you might as well just save an extra couple of hundred and buy one of the Chen katanas which outclass both the KC and Criswell in the authenticity department.

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Or if you want something cheap and more "swordlike" than a machete, look at I think it's Ontario's offerings (I could be wrong on the name, but I think that's it). From what I gather their stuff can take some abuse. I can't recommend it, but I can't recommend much of anything for low-end.

Sorry I can't help more.
 
Originally posted by Robert Marotz:
Or if you want something cheap and more "swordlike" than a machete, look at I think it's Ontario's offerings (I could be wrong on the name, but I think that's it). From what I gather their stuff can take some abuse. I can't recommend it, but I can't recommend much of anything for low-end.

Sorry I can't help more.

I'm fairly new to this. If I could I would go to Bugei and obtain a custom made katana. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Thanks!
 
Originally posted by Robert Marotz:
Or if you want something cheap and more "swordlike" than a machete, look at I think it's Ontario's offerings (I could be wrong on the name, but I think that's it). From what I gather their stuff can take some abuse. I can't recommend it, but I can't recommend much of anything for low-end.

Sorry I can't help more.

Right now I have to get the best for as little as possible. I know that it is hard to compromise!
 
Sir, I know some folks may disagree with me, but I have very negative opinions about a number of "swords" for that price. I guess I should have no real qualms because if people want something cheap to bash around, that's their perogative and I'm very thankful they aren't abusing good swords. I guess that's where Ontario's stuff, Criswell's stuff, Himalayan Imports stuff, and Kris Cutlery's stuff comes into the picture. If I were to suggest one of these choices and if you are *serious* about getting into the sword thing...I'd suggest getting a Kris Cutlery katana *blade* or even a fully mounted one (cheap enough I guess). Dismount it, Get some 80-400 grit sandpaper and maybe some finer files (don't want to remove too much material at a time).

They are ok for "usable" swords out of the box, but they're more geared for customization. You are getting a pretty high quality blade with mediocre finish and shaping. The shaping and finish can be fixed, and the sword could be remounted in a traditional or quasi-traditional fashion.

There's a lot of options that are open to you if you're just willing to put some time and effort into it. If yer not willing to put that into it, you are only getting what you pay for, and are not taking advantage of the potential these ones really have. They have a reasonably proper cross section so that's not something that has to be dramatically changed.

For a low dollar, you really can't expect anything near perfection. If you can only afford a few hundred bucks in cash but want something nearer the high-end, put some elbow grease into it and make it *your* high-quality sword. To me at least, there's something special about being a part of my own blade.

In the price range I can't recommend much else, except maybe Shinto blade in shirasaya for customizing, or a Chen practical katana, or a Shinto out-of-the-box maybe. That's about it.

Shinryû.
 
Well see, it's really a matter of expectations. . .

If you are used to driving a Corvett, a Mustang is going to feel like a POS. And if you're used to a Farrari, a Corvett just will not do. But for the vast majority of the population, a Toyota Corolla is good enough.

This is the same with swords, if you have a Yoshihara collection, everything under $10,000 is crap.

I personally hate stainless steel wall-hangers. But truth be told, some of them have held up admiralbly as users.

So if you're only looking for a functional sword, then anything mentioned above is more than up to the job. If you want it to look fairly traditional, I'd go for the Paul Chen swords. The cheapest sword of that line is the Practical Katana ($175), make sure to get the brass habaki instead of the old plastic ones. I feel the Practical Kat is the best deal in town, it would be a good deal even at twice the cost. Of course it is far inferior to my custom Howard Clark katana, but that is costing me over 2K and I have to wait 2 years for it.

It's important to know enough that you don't fall prey to marketing hype and confuse a Corolla for a Farrari, but only you can figure out how much quality you really need.

 
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