I need a new WHACKER!!!

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I am currently looking to fill somewhat of a hole in my summer survival gear... I have found on more than one occasion, I could have used a BIG KNIFE.

When I say big, keep in mind I had CS Bushmaster, Recon Tanto, even a Bushman available...still need, more than once, BIGGER.

I am requesting info on pieces with at least 9" of blade. Busse is awesome, and Prisco is a great guy, but I only like the 'Mistress, and it is too much dough!

My current hot items...T.O.P.S. knives have caught my eye, sizes vary model to model however. I have had and like the Trail Master series, but only in San Mai III and it is pricey...Livesay equipment is rock solid, and the RTAK is looking good, but not into handle material. Falkniven (sp) A1 is sweet...too small.

This piece is to serve as BOTH Machette AND small AXE!!! So it must be up to the task...

Thanks,
Steve in NYC
 
I got a good suggestion for a big ole knife. Bladeforums member L6steel (Mike Cooper) has a couple of monsters he made. I swiped a picture from him
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Only bad thing is, he said hes not gonna make anymore like them.
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Too bad, because they look really, really nice!!

I have never seen these in person, but I do have a different model from him....great stuff...and outstanding prices. This way, you can get a custom for less than many production knives
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Give him a shout...I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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There...those oughta be big enough for anything!!!



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Richard
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Just some knife pictures
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=110070&a=4518795
 
Oops...forgot...give him a shout a L6STEEL@aol.com

 
First, tak a look over on the knife reviews and testing page, there's a thread there now that might help you. It's called "Busse basic 9 v cold steel trailmaster" or some variation thereof. It has a link to a knifeforums thread pointing out known problems in the San Mai steel, incluging the layers seperating.

On the Battle Mistress, Trust me, i know it's alot, i just bought one! I had to beg, borrow and scrape to get the money together, but i know it will be worth it when that package arrives in the mail.

If you truly can't afford the Battle Mistress, consider the basic #9, found all over the internet. It is roughly the same dimensions as the BM, but one heck of alot cheaper. I've seen it for less than $200 in several places.

I like the looks of TOPS knives, but they use 1095 steel, which i don't like. I think they are somewhat overpriced, although that's probably going to get me flamed.

If you want a mega-chopper, i would think about a kukri. I don't know enough to comment, but have a look at the Himilayan Imports and Gurka House forums.

One more thought just popped into my head... the Newt Livesay RCM (Recon Combat Machette) 12 inch blade, very nice.... i'm not sure of the url, but run a search and you should find it. I think it's around 150 bucks.

Ok, just my opinion remember

James

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Hello,

I just asked a very similar question a couple weeks ago and ended up with a Himilayan Imports Ghurka, WWII model, 18" It will go through a dry 2X4 in 3-4 whacks. It chops like crazy, and it's incredibly well made, almost 1/2 inch thick. But the other one i would suggest since you are a cold steel man it seems, is the CS Ghurka, no the LTC but the heavy one. Yeah, you can check out a review of both these knives here. Thh HI knives range from 75 to 185 in price. Chop away!
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/reviews.html
 
second that...
give Uncle Bill a ring over in the Himalayan Imports forum.

Just picked up an 18" Ang Khola that is 1/16th short of half an inch thick and weighs almost 3 pounds.

You could probably strike a blow with the spine of that baby that would rival the blade edge in destructiveness
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A kukri should fit the bill quite nicely. Massive chopping power, and since size is not a factor I cannot think of a better choice. Cold Steel is selling their factory second kukris for a great price, especially the LTC kukri. Also, Becker Knife and Tool makes a monster called the Brute and is only 100.00 dollars in the Brigade Quartermasters magazine(www.actiongear.com)
 
The Brute is great, especially for the price. My choice is the Wasp by Newt Livesay.

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Originally posted by James Healy:
I like the looks of TOPS knives, but they use 1095 steel, which i don't like. I think they are somewhat overpriced, although that's probably going to get me flamed.

If you want a mega-chopper, i would think about a kukri.

...the Newt Livesay RCM (Recon Combat Machette) 12 inch blade, very nice....

The Livesay knife looks good (handle), I don't have experience with them though. http://members.tripod.com/~Newt_Livesay/index2.html

(while on Livesay's site, note an example of why NOT to use red and green graphics on YOUR homepage. Whew.)

For me personally, the longer the knife gets, the more important it is that weight is kept reasonable for the size. I.e., a 12"-14" Bowie of 1/4" stock that isn't properly forged or ground into a good distal taper is going to be a real brute to deal with... unless you are a really big strong dude, in which case, never mind.

I have ordered a 14" machete from Ross Aki, the SBM Straight Backed Machete. We're into the $105-$140 range here. Ross lives in Hawaii and does machete's out of ATS-34! Yep ... he tempers the hardness down so they are tough enough. Does his own heat treating. Before you cringe at using a "stainless tool steel" for a chopper, read his homepage and the reviews first. I hear good things. Read the reviews of his machete vs. the Livesay RCM and decide for yourself which of these good pieces meets your needs. They fill different niches. You may need a heavier duty chopper rather than a brush clearer.
www.macheteman.com

Ross has a "Parang" out of thicker ATS-34 stock that he could make you to length of your desire. These are headed for $170+ real quick though.

Also, the more chopping you intend to do, the more important the handle comfort is, and the more important it is in how the handle slabs are attached to full tang knives to minimize rattle and vibration transfer to your hand (Busse Mistress!). Stag crown handles look great, but they are going to piss off the heel of your hand if you use one much, guar-own-teed, as Justin Wilson would say. If you get rubber/kraton, it needs to be high durometer or it'll wear blisters on your hands, perhaps. You want some kind of swell on the back side of the handle, the butt, or some kind of a mild hook shape (Busse! I own a Mistress myself) so you can hang on while chopping....for sure. Note the SOG Tech I, II, and Tigershark for big knives with a straight handle that is a problem to chop with (no butt/swell) unless you like a wrist thong/lanyard real well.

For an el cheapo that is a damned good machete in my book, check out Ontario D-Guard machete's designed by Blackie Collins. No frills. 1095, tough, fairly light, 12", 18", 22". I like mine a bunch for what it is, a cheap workhorse. We're in the $17 to $19 range from Knives Plus in Amarillo. No frills, comfortable, 18" develops lots of velocity and zips right through stuff with a low-rent bench grinder edge. And I don't care when I hit rocks and concrete.

The Kukri's are for sure bigass choppers. But they can be pretty heavy.

And 1095 is fine on a cheapo machete, but is just terribly overrated as a blade steel by people like TOPS who don't differentially heat treat like the real ABS 'smiths do. I mean, 1/8" stock, 26" long for an 18" bladed machete for $19! How much could the steel cost?

Flame me, but it's just one guys' opinion. 1095 is THE simplest steel. 0.95% carbon, 0.25% to 0.55% moly for deeper hardening, and iron. That's it. Nothing to make carbides.

The TOPS look pretttttyyy hype-y to me. And overpriced (compared to when you can have real innovation and real super steel with INFI/Busse.) TOPS is full of ... wicked cool grinds and holes and slots and bells and ... They look to have comfortable handles ... UNTIL time to chop, and then I don't want a index finger groove in the handle when it comes time to chop. It's just annoying, and in the way.

Livesay uses 1095 too, no differential heat treat. But it is cheap (see Ontario machete above). And the blades are fairly tough, just not the class of "tough" you get with a differential heat treat, where spine is left in spring range (Rc 40-48) and the edge is hard and wear resistant (Rc=60).

Ok, time for dinner.
 
With the "E" model Busses supposed to be shipping soon, you may get some older versions coming for sale second hand. If you are not in a dead rush, a couple of months wait could net you one at a decent price.

-Cliff
 
Becker BRUTE

$$ for $$ ; "WHACK" for "WHACK" the best value of them all.



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I though Livesay did do differential heat treating (which is one of the reasons I've always thought his knives reflected a great value).
 
Originally posted by Burke:
I though Livesay did do differential heat treating (which is one of the reasons I've always thought his knives reflected a great value).

Although I find Newt's description wanting in terms of clarity, I believe I was in error in stating that Livesay does not differentially treat his blades... he says that he does. I apologize for not poking around longer and finding this on his page... he doesn't state this in his individual knife specs, but I certainly don't mean to convey wrong information.

A quote from his page:

"After grinding the blade is "differentially" heat treated to a edge hardness of 59-60 Rockwell "C." With a hugh electrical production heat treat oven the blades are "triple-drawn." A fourth "cryogenic" quench gives the blade a tough durable edge, and a mild spine for superior strength. "

I think I'd like to see him mention both the edge hardness AND the spine hardness after the spine is drawn back, e.g. "...spine hardness of Rc 46-48 for toughness".

Also, he implies that the cryogenic quench is what provides the mildness to the spine when what I believe the cryo does is convert retained austenite to martensite, and this has the practical effect of making the edge holding somewhat better. What I've read is that cryo treating provides much less benefit in edge holding for simple carbon steels than it does in stainless tool steels.

I'd guess he has to draw the spine back with a blow torch or special oven setup that keeps the edge from being drawn back also.
 
Yeah, rdangerer, I agree that Newt's website can be a little hard to read. If you look, on some of the big blades he says they are diff. tempered under the "blade specs" portion of the web page. He doesn't say this on the little knives, maybe because they aren't.
 
John Greco has a pair of Machetes he previewed at Blade. A Kukri style and a Bolo
style. The Bolo has a 9" blade and is 16 inches overall. I just got the Prototypes
and will try to post a scan with more info this weekend.
www.bladeart.com
larry@bladeart.com
 
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