I need help with motorcycles

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I've been thinking about getting a motorcycle for commuting and around town use. The only problem is that I don't really know that much about them. I'd probably go for more of a practical/touring type thing than the racer crotch-rocket end of the spectrum. I'd also like something with a decent amount of cargo compartments on it. How much stuff can you fit in/on a typical bike like that? Also, what would be a very general price range to find something decent on the used market? I know these are vague questions, but even vague answers would give me more than I have now. Any general direction to go in or tips, etc. would be of great help to my motorcycle newbie self.
 
Check out some of the newer "scooters" like the Honda Reflex or Silverwing. In the 5K to 8K range. 2 person capable, some luggage and freeway speeds if necessary. Go to the factory websites.
 
Unless you get a big beast of a bike you won't have much storage. I've got a Yamaha V-Star 1100 Silverado cruiser with saddlebags and I can't really carry much.
 
The scooter advise is great.

I used to motorcyle, I always had a love affair with old BMW boxer twins. For the last couple of years. now that I'm crossing into old fart range, I've been fooling around with scooters. I've always had a sneaking admiration for the engineering in the Italian Vespa's. I have an ET4 and a PX150. The old fashioned PX models have no storage, but the ET4 has under seat storage that will hold a full size helmet or two plastic bags of groseries from Safeway.

The 150cc four stroke ET4 will do 60, cruise at 50 with no problem. Very quiet and smooth.

Some of the local scooterists have the Honda 250 Helix. This is a very nice, jet smooth quiet scoot with really good storage under the rear "trunk". Like most of Honda products, the liquid cooled motor is ultra reliable.

You have to look at the market and decide what you like. But I have found that with most cases exept for BMW, a motorcycle is a pain in the butt for maintanance. Ride a motorcycle because you like motorcyles, not for economy. Some of the new small cars get gas milage close to what a decent size motorcyle will give you, and you can roll up the windows when it rains and turn on the heat in the winter.

Try one of the scoots like a Honda Helix or silver wing to see if you like being out there on two wheels.
 
If you need storage space, look into sidecars...
They're horrible to drive, but that's what makes them so much fun...
They even make them for scooters...
 
Oh trout-

Even though I favor the older european stuff, the Silver Wing is a very, very nice ride. Ditto the Reflex.
 
There are lots of bikes out there. Get on the net and start looking around. You can buy plenty of storage for a bike, most don't come with it standard. If you have a ton of stuff to haul around, a bike may not be for you. A good size backpack, and some soft side luggage is about all you should need.
 
I bought my first motorcycle last year, 7000 miles ago. :)

Some quick advice. Take a safety course. Read the Proficient Motorcycling books by David Hough. Start with a small, lightweight, inexpensive motorcyle or scooter. ATGATT (All The Gear, All The Time).

Check out this website: www.BeginnerBikers.org Articles, bike reviews with emphasis on suitability for new riders, and a forum with the most friendly and helpful motorcycle/scooter folks anywhere.

Best Luck,
Bob
 
Second the advice to take a training course. When I took mine (1992), they told me that taking the course was the "accident reduction equivalent" of 6 months of street experience on a bike. The people teaching my course had "school bikes" that you could ride if you didn't have your own. Were I starting over, I would seriously consider taking the course on one of their bikes before you choose the bike you're going to buy. If nothing else, it will give you a good feel for riding before you go "trying out" bikes to buy.

Oh, you also save money on insurance if you take the class (with most companies).

When you go to buy, you can ask for a test ride, but don't expect to be allowed. Bikes are easy to mess up with a little spill, and most smart sellers won't want to let you test them out unless you write out a contract that you are buying the bike for the duration of the test ride, full price to be refunded if the bike comes back okay.

For commuting and "around town", a scooter would definitely get you by. If you want to be able to drive for a longer time (say... hour and a half or so), you'll want a larger scooter or a small cycle (250cc or so). For longer trips at interstate speeds, a bigger bike (600cc) will do fine, without getting insanely expensive or using lots of gas. A 600 will also be more comfortable for passengers, if you ever think you'll carry one.

As for storage, the only bikes that come with much at all are the really big touring bikes like Goldwings, and you don't want to start riding with an 800lb bike. Pretty much any storage you have will be aftermarket add-on bags, or backpack/courier bags. I have one of the Aerostich courier bags, and it was great when I was still riding.

I have to differ with jackknife on the expense of motorcycles. I bought a 1992 Yamaha Seca II (600cc economy bike) like this one:
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It was $3755 off the lot, brand new. It consistently got 55mpg, could tie a Dodge Viper 0-60 (4.4 seconds), and easily cruised at interstate speeds. Don't think I ever had a problem with the engine, and my only real issues with it were caused by my negligence. I ended up putting about 60,000 miles on it.

In contrast, the bike I purchased after that was an '89 BMW R100GSPD
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(This is a picture taken of my old bike by the guy I later sold it to, and posted online. Strange finding it while searching for an image)
While a great deal of fun, this bike only got about 35mpg. (Newer boxers with fuel injection get around 43, IIRC)

So, after that rambling, here's what I suggest if you want to commute on a bike:

Take the training class. After you take it, before you get your bike, start thinking like a biker. Pay more attention to the road than you normally do. When I was riding, I was in Florida and it wasn't uncommon at all to find thin patches of sand here and there on the road. If you get used to looking out for that type of thing before you get on your bike, you'll be less likely to have your tires slip out from under you when you finally get to riding.
Buy a light bike/medium scooter. (Honda Nighthawk 250's are supposed to be nearly bulletproof, get around 70mpg, and have plenty of power to get you in trouble if you want to.) Ride this bike for at least 6 months or so, to make sure you're liking it, then consider if you need a bigger bike, or if the smaller one will suffice.
Buy a good quality rain suit. (I have an Aerostich Darien suit... $800, but kept me warm and dry while I commuted on my bike. You can spend much less to buy a decent suit.. this is high-end)
Buy good quality boots and gloves. Waterproof is good. Glove liners so that you can add insulation are good.
Buy a good full-face helmet. More protection from the road and from the elements than a 3/4 helmet or those stupid little salad bowl things that Harley riders love.
Enjoy riding!

Fox
 
Very good advise from FoxholeAtheist.

Do start out with something like a Nighthawk 250. Its a model that has been around for a very long time, and it's motor is an ancient piece of hardware that has a great track record of stone reliability. That 250 motor in one form or another has been around for over 20 years and has it's roots in the old 200 twinstar comuter bike.

Try to find a used one with low milage for 2,000 bucks or less. Not hard to do. Lots of used bikes go up for sale with very low miles because lots of people buy a bike on a whim or for low cost commuting and before long come to the realization that theres more to it than they thought, and get turned off.

You have to really love motorcycles to ride them.

I started in 1967 with a Honda Super 90 and ended in 2002 with a H-D sporty. In between was alot of miles on Japanese, German, and American machines, and it was not till I was in my 50's I started to get a bit tired of them. By then the yuppie Harley craze had semi-ruined the sport of motorcycling, not to mention the comraderie that used to be there.

If you decide to give them a try please do follow all Fox's advise about protective gear. You won't believe how fast the do-do can hit the fan when the geek in the left lane decides to make a right turn. From the left lane!

And he has the gall to tell the cops "I did'nt see him!"

I had a standard 1989 R80 Beemer and I was always a little disappointed in the 38 miles per gallon it got. My 1984 R65 got about 48-50mpg.

Most of todays econocars will give you 30 something in town with low 40 something on the road.

And thinking like a biker is a differant thought mode. Imagine paddeling a canoe across a wide river with all kinds of power boats tearing around being driven by idiots. You learn to dodge real well. Wear good protective clothing that can stand up to sliding on asphalt for a ways at 30 miles an hour. Denium don't cut it. Leather is good, an Areostich coat is better.

You will need a set of tires every 12-15000 miles and they will be about two or three times more expencive than four tires for a small car at 40-5- thousand miles. And don't skimp on cheap tires- when you get a flat on a bike you learn the meaning of up the creek without a paddle. A chain has to be replaced at intervals, and if it gets to sloppy it will take the rear sprocket with it. Gotta keep the chain adjusted and lubed. A good point for bikes with drive shafts like the Beemers, larger Honda shadows ect.

Riding a bike is a love affair. Ya really gotta love it to put up with the risks and bother that go with it.
 
MelancholyMutt said:
If you need storage space, look into sidecars...
They're horrible to drive, but that's what makes them so much fun...
They even make them for scooters...
With sidehacks you should have some rudimentary lessons,they are definitely different to ride.Watch left hand turns and conversely righthanders depending on which side it's mounted to.Lots of fun to ride after getting the hang of it and beaucoup cargo space.
 
find an old Honda 500 with hard side-compartments - big enough to commute and to handle side-bags. Light enough to get good gas mileage. Easy enough to handle.
 
Well with the prices of gas goin thru the roof I see the logic in your thought but a word of caution is needed here dont jump on the first thing you see cuz there is always something that will suit you better after you do some research. Iwould recommend something in the light weight range in the 500 to 750 cc range simply because you can manouver them around easier than a 1000 or bigger bike also if you drop or lay it over you can pick it back up with out three men and a boy to help.Picking up a dropped bagger aint no picnic as for storage you can buy a variety of hard bags trunks or soft panier type bags from out fits like warshawsky , cycletech and the like. Take some lessons if at all possible as it can get ya some discounts on insurance when you go to buy especially used take a friend who is mechanically inclined . stay away from any thing with bald tires or worn chains as these machines have probably been beat on.
 
I was in the same boat as you about 2 months ago.

I wound up with a 1981 Honda CB750, which is the first and only bike I have ever ridden. It's very easy to get the hang of riding, I'm glad I didn't go any smaller than the 750. I get 45-50 mpg on the freeway.

I was looking for something old and air cooled for less than a grand. A thousand dollars will get you a great bike if you don't mind something from a few (mechanical) generations ago.

Avoid getting a fixer-upper, for a grand you should be able to get something that runs like a watch.

I'd recommend just getting an 80's Japanese 750 cruiser that has been taken care of. There are plenty out there that are still owned by the original purchaser. If someday in the future you want a brand new bike with all the bells and whistles then you will know how to ride and take care of it.

You can get fancy with luggage if you want, but I've found that a simple luggage rack with a bungee net can move a lot of stuff if you do it right. I just strap a backpack to the luggage rack for longer trips and interstate runs. 4 days worth of clothes and such represents about 40% of my cargo capacity. I've never needed to use more than that.

I do have a full fairing with locking storage which is handy for small errands.

I honestly don't know why anybody who is physically able to ride a motorcycle would get a scooter. They cost a lot more and can't reach legitimate freeway speeds. To each his own, but if you are looking at true bikes you would probably be disappointed with a scooter.

Also, sit on a bike before you buy it. Get in you r natural riding position. Does everything feel right? Are the handlebars and the foot pegs in the right place for you? Don't expect to "Get used to it" if if doesn't feel right.

Look at a few used bikes, you'll know it when you find the right one for you.

I can honestly say that I consider getting a motorcycle to be among the best decisions of my life. I wish I had done it sooner.
 
jackknife said:
A chain has to be replaced at intervals, and if it gets to sloppy it will take the rear sprocket with it. Gotta keep the chain adjusted and lubed.

Remember when I said I didn't have any problems with my Yamaha that weren't my own fault? :grumpy:

Knew the chain was getting sloppy, had a new one on order, heading down the straightaway into the chemical plant where I was working. Downshifted, eased off the gas, chain jumped the sprocket at about 35mph. Instantly locks the real wheel and I slide to a stop... still upright.. in the grass next to the road.

Note: I don't recommend doing this if you want a nice calm morning. :D


I know I recommended a Nighthawk 250 earlier, but that having been said, MY first bike was a 1982 Nighthawk 750SC (Top one here.. http://100megsfree4.com/honda/h0700/night750.htm) In retrospect, it was a little bit heavy for a first bike, but I did learn to ride it. A 250 would have been lighter when I parked in a soft dirt parking lot and the sidestand sank in, and when I (*shame*) once actually got off the bike without putting the sidestand down. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for all the advice. I'm looking in to finding a safety course to go to and also will be getting a full set of protective gear if I actually end up getting a bike. I should have clarified the cargo space inquiry in my first post. I pretty much meant just being able to cram a bag and a half of groceries into the side bags or a change of clothes, lunch, etc.

I went to a dealer yesterday and got a chance to look at all the shiny new toys. I was initially looking at a Suzuki GZ250 but did not feel comfortable on it. I have a background in mountain biking (XC) and road biking so the ride position felt like I was sitting in a recliner. I realize that they aren't the same sports but it just didn't feel right. I ended up looking at a Suzuki SV650. The position on that felt a lot better without being to extreme like some of the sport bikes that were there.

I didn't start looking a with a real fixed budget since I didn't really know how much cost this would actually entail, but the SV650 is bit more than I originally wanted to spend. Unfortunately, I think I'm loosing a little bit of my objective focus on a practical town/commuting bike and starting to get sucked in to the "this looks like it might be fun....." mindset. Just what I need, another expensive hobby :rolleyes: :D

Does anyone have any experience with this particular bike? I'm a little afraid that it might be more than I really need to start off on, but I like it a lot more than the others I've looked at and think it would be enough bike that I won't feel the urge to run out and upgrade out of it in 6 months.
 

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Does anyone have any experience with this particular bike? I'm a little afraid that it might be more than I really need to start off on, but I like it a lot more than the others I've looked at and think it would be enough bike that I won't feel the urge to run out and upgrade out of it in 6 months.[/QUOTE]

I have an 05 SV650S, and love it. As far as wanting to upgrade. If you're a new rider, you should be fine. I don't forsee me wanting to upgrade for quite awhile.
 
If I recall correctly, the SV650 was in competition with my Yamaha 600 in the "Bargain Bike" category. I don't think I've ever heard a bad review of one. The only way you'll "grow out" of it is if you really want to do LONG distance touring, or you get a bug up your butt to go insanely fast instead of just ridiculously fast. (After you have even a bargain bike, you'll snicker at any car claiming to be quick from 0-60 that costs less than $300k)

As to looking at a brand-new shiny bike for your first purchase, let me tell you a story.

I had a female friend several years ago that really liked taking rides on my bike. This made her then-boyfriend rather jealous. Since he needed cheap transportation and his girlfriend liked being on the back of a bike, he went out and bought a brand-new Kawasaki Ninja 500. (Side note: This was not really a sport bike, it's an econo-bike trying to ride on the coat tails of the "Ninja" name.) He didn't take any kind of riding course, thinking that he would do that later. The third day he owned this shiny new bike, he took it around a corner that had a little drift of sand on it and laid it down on the road. Had some road rash, and his bright shiny new bike had all sorts of broken, scraped, and newly de-painted pieces. He later managed to cut off one of his fingers while lubricating the chain with the motor running, but that's beside the point.

Point is that I don't think I've ever talked to someone who's had a bike who hasn't dropped a bike soon after learning to ride, either while moving as above, or while stopped, as I did several times. I still heartily recommend to any new biker that the first bike be something that can take a bit of a beating without loss. If you're set on an SV650, buy one that's a few years old. Many many motorcycles are bought for weekend rides in the country and have low miles on them. There's a guy in Goldsboro, NC with a 2001 model for $4200... it has 3k miles on it. I'm sure that if you were to search yourself on Cycletrader.com that you could find a good deal, not spend so much, and not be so depressed when your new bike gets scuffed up.
 
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