I need some advice. Please

[1whobuys]

Hi, I bought some Bali-Songs recently that where suppost to be NIB. These were both Customs and NOS.

The big question is on the 5" custom. It was bought as NIB, but when I got it and opened it up,there is damage on the latch. I have emailed the seller and asked that he either price adjust the knife or take it back.

My question is:
What is fair? How much should a damaged NIB 5" custom be adjusted. I paid Good money for it.($600.00)because it is suppost to be NIB, and they are getting harder and harder to find in this condition. But it is damaged.

Second issue is that out of 8 boxes, only 3 had the paper work. I'm thinking that if a knife is sold as NIB it should have the papers unless the seller tells the buyer.
Am I being unreasonable, or should the seller make an adjustment?

Third issue is that two of the production knifes (also suppost to be NIB) are showing some damage. One has written right on the box "Pin Pinched" the other say's,"Spot on Blade" Are these 2nd's or was this concidered normal for PC? And should I expect any concideration? Like exchangeing them for two others?

I want to be fair to the Seller, But I also want to be treated fairly. So I'm asking for your help. What would you do or expect if this happened to you?
If it was YOUR $2200.00 Would you want things corrected, and to what point?
Thanks for your help.

[This message has been edited by 1whobuys (edited 04-15-2001).]

 

[Gollnick]

NIB means New In Box, exactly as originally delivered by the manufacturer. If the knife is perfect but does not have the box and or other "collateral materials" (e.g. sheath, package insert, etc.) that would have originally been with the knife, then the knife is NOT NIB but Mint. Any damage consistent with manipulation immediately knocks the knife out of Mint and to Near Mint at best and it doesn't take much manipulation damage to knock you out of NM to Excellent or even down to Verry Good. The value falls dramatically with each drop in grade. Why? Simple statistics. There are fewer NIBs than Mints, than NMs, than EXs than VGs, etc. Rarer means more valuable.

Collectors are generally unimpressed with BM, PC, and BS pieces below EX.

Your two with damage marked right on the box are clearly 2nds. PC never sold an obviously damaged knife as a 1st.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com

 

[JohnR7]

For a lot of dealers, new in box means that the knife comes with it's origional box and that it has never been sharpened.

There really is no such thing as a pristine knife, unless the dealer never took it out of the box and it's never been touched by human hands outside of the factory.

When people handle a knife, oil gets from their hands onto the knife and that oil is worse than salt is to your car.

Very few people, maybe one in a hundred, know how to keep a knife in factory new condition. You have to wipe all of the finger prints off of it, and you have to keep a thin coat of oil on the knife.

If a dealer puts a knife on display and allows people to handle it, the knife starts to show wear and tear very fast. If it does not sell right away, by the time the 10 th person has picked it up and looked at it, the knife is really no longer mint. Unless the dealer takes a lot of time to wipe the finger prints off and keep a thin coat of oil on the knife. Thanks, JohnR7

 

[KentDog]

$2,200 is quite a bit of money. I say if you didn't get exactly what was described, then you have the right to complain and want your money back. If you feel cheated, you should be able to get a refund.