I need some advice PLEASE

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I have been getting some calls and letters lately since the picture of one of my knives was in Blade.What I need advice on is they are wanting a brochure.Where can I get one made that doesnt cost a arm and a leg or do you think it would be OK if I made one up on the computer and then had them copied off and used them,would that be tacky and unprofessional looking....My finances are not the best to sink alot into them but I see a need for them.......HELP !!!! Bruce

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Bruce Evans Handcrafted Knives
The soul of the Knife begins in the Fire!!!!!
Member of,AKTI#A000223 and The American Bladesmith Society
 
Pretty easy to do on the computer if you have a printing program such as Printmaster.
I scan every knife I make and put a picture and description in a catalog. with each knife i sell I put out a brochure with a picture of that knife in it.I use a zip drive and have 1 disk set up for knifes.
Take Care
TJ
 
An alternative I used to promote a website to investors once was to do up the pics on my computer, and take it to Kinko's where I used one of their color printers to make some pretty professional looking color copies. It cost me $1.00 per copy. For my purposes the math was easy: spend a dollar and get a chance at landing an investor with huge amounts of money. And the investors were picked.

For your purposes I'd say the potential gains per dollar spent are probably a little bit lower, but maybe still worth it. Are you willing to spend a dollar to potentially sell a $400 or so knife? I don't know the statistics for print advertising in the knife industry, but if these are people requesting brochures you might have as high as a 5% conversion rate...which means for every $100 dollars you spend on color copies you'd land 5 sales, or $2000 in sales at my arbitrary price of $400.

5% is a really high conversion, but again they're interested parties. Or say it's 3%. Are you willing to spend 100 bucks to make 1200? Or whatever the amount is that 3 sales would bring you? These are the kind of cost tradeoffs that keep marketing execs up at night.

So that's $1.00 per 8 1/2x11...I'm suggesting one color image of a really beautiful knife, set perfectly, and then black and white line drawings or computer images of the rest of your designs.

A couple of folks at the recent NY show had home print job brochures, line drawings of the knives, folded over 8 1/2x11 paper and stapled down the middle, all black and white. Not great, but I took them with me to review later. I didn't get the feel of "this is tacky and unprofessional", I got the feel of "I'm glad they're not adding $50 to the price of each knife to cover their advertising costs". I think a color print of at least one knife would've improved the effectiveness of those brochures immensely, though.

For me, if I were making knives, I'd be willing to spend a dollar. But I suggest taking the time to ponder how many people who see your brochure will buy a knife, and how much it's worth to obtain that sale.

Maybe a bit more info than you were looking for but it's midnight and I'm in that "tired but wired" state you get from too much coffee after dinner
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The one thing that I found is that things change so fast in my business that printing colour glossy brochures is out of the question, long before the run of 500 is given out it is obsolete. I use computer printed brochures (Corel Print Office) and run them off as I need them. That way I can make changes as the line changes.

It works for me and my customers appreciate getting the latest updated brochure.


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george
www.tichbourneknives.com
sales@tichbourneknives.com


 
Thanks for the advice.....This was something I new would come one day but hadnt thought about......Bruce

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Bruce Evans Handcrafted Knives
The soul of the Knife begins in the Fire!!!!!
Member of,AKTI#A000223 and The American Bladesmith Society
 
Relax, Bruce! Find the nearest Kinko's, tell them what you need and what your budget is (or isn't) and ask for help. You already have a computer with Internet access. You can use that to post some photos to Photopoint.com, or something similar, and have an online brochure.

(Sorry, Bruce. I overlooked your website link. What a dufus! Best of luck.)

I can impart one universal truth to you about sales: You can do a hell of a lot better job selling the knives yourself, than with any brochure, no matter what the quality. If people are calling you to inquire about your knives, that is the best opportunity you will have to sell them a knife. No brochure can impart as much as you can, personally, about your work, or inspire the customer's confidence as well as the sound of your voice, speaking directly and personally to him.

Good Luck.

[This message has been edited by samwereb (edited 11-20-2000).]
 
I do have my web site as a online brochure.So what I think I will do is make a brochure on the computer and save the formating to it and that way I can update it as needed for customers that dont have a computer......Thanks for all the advice,Bruce

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Bruce Evans Handcrafted Knives
The soul of the Knife begins in the Fire!!!!!
Member of,AKTI#A000223 and The American Bladesmith Society
 
I like the color shot of one knife, with the web address for more info. Bruce your web page looks pretty good to me, The tutorials also should serve to answer questions and generate others.

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Sola Fide
 
i use a combo of the on line brochure(website) and a fairly simple hand out i can give to people at the differnt places i display. as was said earlyer you can sell your knives much better than any brochure, ask what they had in mind, e-mail a scetch to you,or which knife on the site they like.bruce before you sell anything you sell your self! i dont spend a lot on printed stuff because i learned along time ago in sales that when people ask you to mail them something its a polite way or saying, i am not convinced to buy.

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Laurence Segal www.RHINOKNIVES.com
 
As a full time Graphic Designer (after spending 20+ years in sales and marketing) but a "newbie" to knifemaking, I might make the following observations:

1) Several excellent observations have been made about immediate tangible returns (i.e., sales) on sending out brochures, fliers, etc. versus their cost. But there may be some less obvious benefits: a) brochures get your name "out there". People in associated trades can become valuable contacts, perhaps even profitable ones. b) brochures show some people--like bankers with money--stability and professionalism. And many people enjoy receiving mail that's personal and addressed to them. Then they get fired up about buying.

2) Sure, 500 brochures can be out of date before they're used up. So use these brochures to showcase your best works to date and show what you are capable of doing (I'd surely like to show off alot of what I see you guys producing!!)

3) Produce a brochure showcasing SEVERAL knifemakers in the same layout. This helps to defray costs by splitting them.

4) Determine your target audience. Perhaps you NEED expensive brochures to properly show off your work. Or you may not need them at all. Then develop a website/homepage that you can update easily. And it doesn't have to be a Mona Lisa! Just be sure that the pages load quickly and your links are up to date.

Just a few ideas for what they're worth. And if anyone is interested in having a brochure developed, using Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Photoframe, etc. please email me. I won't do it for free, but I will be modest price-wise and I might even consider knifemaking equipment/supplies/videos etc. as payment. This is not a sales pitch since I still get to read about "how to" and see the work of all you wonderful guys. I've really not met a nasty guy here in the knife world!
 
Get in touch with PhilL, he does all kinds of cool stuff with photo deluxe. He even made a post in here awhile back offering to do some work with pictures for makers. He could get your pictures set up nice if not lay out the whole brochure, then you could get copies made at kinkos.

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I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer... but I've got the sharpest knife in the room.
 
Greetz...Adobe Page MAker is a great software to make your own pamplets. I used it to make the schools when I was at the community college.
 
Bruce,

Consider investing the time and money in your website. By the time you're done with a decent brochure (software, images, design time, 3rd party designer?, printing/copying and the mailing costs [non-bulk @ min 33 cents] you'll be in it pretty deep. If you get a run of 500 done, besides the production costs, you're looking at $165 dollars in mailing fees to distribute them by mail request.

Then, if you do it yourself ...
Decent software alone will run several $100 and the learning curve is large. My company has every title worth buying and they're all high dollar, trust me.

Here's the argument for focusing on the site, besides the hard costs and overnight obsolescence of the printed information ... these are some things the print media can never do for you:

1. Major advantage ...
It can never physically transact the sale on the product or order. (You're not really wanting to distribute mail, right? You're looking for orders. Agree?) A brochure requires that the viewer make additional actions to re-contact you. Each additional action your method requires someone to perform, the lower the chance that they'll get around to it. If you set the site up correctly, you can collect the payment right on the spot.

2. Then there's the argument for the cost of the exposure ...
Let's say you drop $500 in the production and distribution of the mailer. Once it's distributed, it may have a long shelf life, but chances are it's targeted toward a single recipient (the requesting party). Out of the 500 recipients, how many are non-buyers? If you use a general direct mail average, you'll do well with a +/- 5% response. Out of that group, maybe 10% (extremely generous) will purchase within an acceptable time frame. That's $500 to generate 2.5 buyers. That's very low yield ...
Now, take the same $500 invested in a more powerful site design, one that's geared toward promoting yourself as a business and designed to collect the data you need to build a real customer base. (A real customer base is one you can contact on a moments notice with whatever information you want to distribute at the time)
Within a given number of days after launch, you can generate as many as 500 "self-qualified" visitors a day to the site ... day after day, year after year. I can prove it, so there's no argument against it! The only problem is, most people can't do it. So, it's likely you'll hear some disbelieving commentary from the gallery about that. Of course, you know one of my sites, so you see what I mean here ...

3. Now here's where it fits the knife maker directly ...
Your work changes and improves with each piece you produce. Some work deserves high detail imagery to fully project it's value. Also, isn't it nice to be able to drop your most recent work into the site and have it sold immediately. I mean, what maker wants orders when they can sell everything they can produce as soon as it's posted to their site. Most makers only do orders because it's required to keep the wheels moving. Given the choice to sit back and create what you want to produce, as opposed to having clients dictate what they want has distinct advantages. Where do you think the artist's best work is done? On a piece that emanates from his mind or from someone else's? Where do you think the least amount of grief and pressure lies? I talk to the top makers in this business every day. They all say the same thing ...

Now to use all of the effort to overcome your original question ...
- You get a request to send info ... Give them the web address and they can see it while the iron's hot! That day!
- You still need info to throw out at the shows ... so, hand out a 13 cent floppy with your homepage on it. When they click a link on the disk, it'll open your site. People can wait to get home to see what's on it ...
For the really good show and magazine prospects, give them the whole site on a cd you made in your basement for 19 cents ... all of it "live" with your newsletter sign-up form, order forms and e-mail links ready to do business.

This is where the world is today. If the person doesn't have a computer and internet connection by now, skip them and focus on the 100 million people in this world that do! You're time is limited in terms of marketing yourself ... do something that isn't going to become instantly obsolete and something you can continue to mine for the duration of your involvement. All this is about is information distribution. Look at where you are coming to get it. Use the power of this thing to give it right back ... It'll pay big, so hang in there!

Alex Whetsell
Atlanta Virtual

http://www.atlantavirtual.com http://www.customknifedirectory.com http://www.texasknife.com
alexwhetsell@atlantavirtual.com


[This message has been edited by VirtualEdge (edited 11-21-2000).]
 
Alex,You know how to make somebody think dont you....I have done Buisness cards,refrigerator magnets,BandAids with my comtact info on them......But I never thought of a floppy or cd....That is a really cool idea and one that I can do...Thanks for all the advice everybody....Bruce

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Bruce Evans Handcrafted Knives
The soul of the Knife begins in the Fire!!!!!
Member of,AKTI#A000223 and The American Bladesmith Society
 
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