I need some enlightenment please

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I have been told this so many times, it makes me sick:
"Some things are not supposed to be shaving sharp, axes & machetes are some of those things."

My theory is, if it has a blade, it SHOULD be shaving sharp, if not, it's not worth keeping. What say you edge masters ???
 
I'm no edge master but I completely agree with you. Whenever you go camping or for a nice hike or something, how many people have you heard say "hey bro, look at my killer axe. isn't she dull?" ya right, i'm proud of making alllll my edges as sharp as my rookieness will allow me. I was on here the other day and someone posted a picture of his axe literally whittling a piece of hair. Now THATs what I'm talkin about!
 
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That stuff is really brown sawdust.

Re Sharp.
I read on a couple of the other forums how folks don't mind paying over 100 bucks for knives that come dull as butter knives. Knives, axes, hawks should be sharp, otherwise what the he## are they for..

Regards

Robin
 
Why does it need to be "shaving" sharp?

I agree you don't want it dull, but I think it's more an issue of diminishing returns rather than an issue "should" or "should not". On an axe or machete that gets occasional or light use shaving sharp might be worth the time and effort. On a hard user that gets dinged up a lot? The amount of time spent constantly re-doing the edge might not be worth it.

Personally, my knives shave, my machetes are close, and my axes have a nice edge.
 
Something a lot of people seem to miss about "sharpness" is that it's more a matter of edge alignment than edge refinement. What I mean by this is that you don't need to spend a lot of time and energy polishing the tool to establish a "shaving sharp" edge once you get your technique down. I find that I can start getting blades to easily push cut paper and shave (though with a bit of tug) at around 400 grit if I properly align the edge and eliminate the wire edge... In a practical sense, that means I can put a "shaving" sharp edge on an ax with a file, coarse/fine DMT diasharp, and a leather belt - and in the field, if there aren't any dings and I'm just touching up an edge after some chopping, I'd say making an axe "shaving" sharp again takes 10minutes tops. It really isn't as much effort as people make it out to be...

With that established, it's really just a question of the profile and what level of polish you TRULY need for the tool's intended tasks.

With a smaller knife, which is going to be used for a lot of PUSH cutting tasks, a polished edge will yield better results in my opinion. With my main bushcraft knife - an Enzo trapper in D2 - I'll go all the way up to a 6000grit waterstone before stropping on a .3micron chrom oxide loaded leather belt to get as polished an edge as possible. I don't use it for chopping or batoning and at 61hrc, it has insane edge retention so I can justify getting it that polished. At that level of refinement, the thing is a pleasure to work on wood with - it bites easily and slices through the wood like butter.

Now with something like a bushcraft axe - lets say my Gransfors Bruks SFA - which is used for both basic wood shaping/carving and chopping tasks, it would really be a waste of time to get a very high level of polish: the second you stop using it for woodcarving and use it for hard chopping, the impacts will ruin the polished edge quite quickly (wouldn't be worth the time you'd have invest). That said, I'm pretty content keeping it at around 600grit - still "shaving" sharp and great for shaping wood, but much more maintainable than going all the way up to 2000 grit.

Lastly, there's a dedicated chopping implement like a full-on felling or splitting ax. Really, in this sort of situation, you're relying significantly more on the blade's profile and generated force than you are the edge's level of refinement... hence, if the edge has the same profile and alignment, you wouldn't see much difference in the effectiveness of an axe sharpened only with a file and one polished up to a mirror shine. HOWEVER, anyone who's ever processed wood with a full sized ax can tell you how handy it is to be able to slice away springy branches, saplings, and other foliage that might obstruct your swing... this is something that isn't easily doable with an axe only sharpened with a file (which tends to still have prominent burs left over and not be able to "bite" into springer targets). This is why many ax-users opted to have both a file AND a stone for sharpening axes - so that the bur can be removed, and a keener, "sharper" edge established for such tasks.

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Sorry for practically writing an essay on the matter, but who knows, someone might find it to be a useful take :rolleyes:
 
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I like my axes sharp, but I could care less about "whittling hair".
I am not planning to shave with them anytime soon, either.
I will be cutting "WOOD", I don't want to take a razor with me
when doing this.
Besides, you are going to hit the ground at some point, and there goes that pretty polished edge of yours.
I am not the type who loves sharpening, I find it to be a pain in the rear. It is hard
enough to spend hours on the knives, let alone the axes.
 
I like my axes sharp, but I could care less about "whittling hair".
I am not planning to shave with them anytime soon, either.
I will be cutting "WOOD", I don't want to take a razor with me
when doing this.
Besides, you are going to hit the ground at some point, and there goes that pretty polished edge of yours.
I am not the type who loves sharpening, I find it to be a pain in the rear. It is hard
enough to spend hours on the knives, let alone the axes.

I definitely agree with this.
 
I agree that your tools should be sharp. At some point however, sharpening seems to become more important than using the tools. I have zero interest in being able to make fuzz sticks from human hair with my knife. I keep my knife and axe as sharp as I can get them in the field. For an axe (and to some degree for a knife), how fine an edge you have will always be a compromise. If the edge it too fine, like killa_concept said, it will lose that edge the moment you start using it. If you plan on cutting something like bone with it, you need an even thicker, less refined edge.

All that being said, I couldn't care less about how sharp any tool arrives when I buy it. These are all tools that are designed to be sharpened, and will have to be sharpened many times during their life, if actually used. Being able to take a dull tool and turn it into a sharp one is an important skill.
 
On all my pocket and belt knives I keep a polished edge. I also think that having the proper profile (for the steel and purpose of the bladed tool) is the key to performence. My Grandpa taught me when I was a boy that one of the best things about a three bladed pocket knife is that each blade could be profiled for a different task and only used for that task. For some task even a knife blade with a little "tooth" left on the edge will out perform a polished edge, but most of us don't use any knife long enough at one task to see this.
For Axes I do like a fine edge, but I never worry about shaving with it or cutting paper. I do keep the edge touched up and alighed with a puck and have been known to take a random orbit sander to an axe to help speed up the process. I have even used a high speed grinder to restore the edges on abused axes as well.

Now I'm gonna tell my age a little,:eek: but growing up part of our job was to "chop cotton"! That means you take a "hoe" to the cotton field and remove the offending weeds while leaving the cotton plants. The best ones where made from old hand saws brazed onto the neck of the hoe. We carried a 6 inch flat bastard file in our back pockets and "touched'em up" everyonce in a while. I can tell you that I still have the hoe my Great Grandfather made for my Grandmother and it hit the dirt a thousand times a day (we have no rocks in our soil here BTW) during growing season and it is still a fine tool today! I only told this story to say that I sharpen everything acording to its intended use.:rolleyes:
 
If you are chopping or hewing wood you want a nice sharp axe. But if you are splitting wood or grubbing out sprouts or roots where you hit the ground I see nothing wrong with having an old beater axe, a little thicker duller axe doesn't get stuck so bad when splitting. And if working near or in dirt I just like a decent functional edge, you will find some rocks here where I live. So your axes may be laid out like golf clubs, I use this one for this and that one for that.
 
Even with kitchen knives, you see chefs using the steel to realign the edge. They don't bother to polish the edges. At least not the ones that see the cutting board. Pairing, utility, boning knives could have more polished edges, but even a more toothy edge will get the job done.
Point here is, when I was in the culinary industry, we would have to sharpen knives all the time. And, there wasn't enough time to polish them.
Maybe at home, a person could take the time. I've tried, the stropped edge of a chef knife seems to dig into the cutting board more than the factory edge, slowing down my cutting motions.
 
Like knives it depends the and on the use. Most people use their axe to split wood and that's it. A file will do that job. Especially if it's a crap axe that can't keep an edge in the first place. That's probably why so many people think axes don't need to be sharp. They don't need it sharp nor have an axe that holds an edge for any length of time.

If you're like me and use your GB mini for camping then bring it up as far as you wish to go. I know what to cut and what not to cut and the GB is far superior in edge holding then the 30 dollar hardware store axe. I keep it as sharp as my knives and actually will go higher in grit then some of my utility knives.
 
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