I scrarred my kukri

Daniel L

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In a probable fit of insanity I decided to use my trusty WWII kukri (from the original HI forge, and my sole HI kukri) to chop at some chain links on top of a 4x2 piece of pine… prior to that I did some medium power chops into the chain with my reprofiled (thinned out) Cold Steel Vietnam Tomahawk (5150 differentially tempered steel) which bit into the chain links a few mm with no damage to the edge.

Since the chain presented no damage to my tomahawk (made in Taiwan and of questionable quality) I thought it would be no challenge for my beloved WWII – big mistake :(

One medium power chop later I created 3 indented areas about 2” from the tip… I had that major sinking feeling to see that kind of damage – and the darn chain links weren’t even scratched! My WWII kukri has been thru a lot of wood and kept an edge so the heat treat is fine… maybe I hit a soft spot (since it did not hit on the sweet spot)? My knives are “users” but I just hate to see that sort of damage from stupid acts like that… arrgh!!

I’ve managed to hammer and file as much as I can… the scars are still there… no perfect edge anymore (aside from the small chips from normal usage).

The chain is only cheap, unhardened stuff about .2” in diameter. Oh well, ya live and learn – it ain’t no lightsaber and use the right tool for the job!
 
And a 10 cent fuse will protect itself by allowing a thousand dollar electical doohickey to fry itself first.:footinmou
 
Yeah, test cutting must be done with some skill when using a khuk, as they are differentially heat treated. If you hit out of the sweet spot, you get a dinng in the blade. Even coin cutting could damage a soft part of the blade.

1-Controlled Striking with the primary cutting edge:
Before cutting hard targets, it is best to practice controlled striking (with the hardened area--have to determine that as well) on softer targets, like 2x4s and limbs. You can tell you're ready to move on to harder targets once you can always hit with the hardened area of the khuk (you can tell this by looking at marks on the blade made by cutting wood--they should mostly be in the primary cutting area).
Conveniently, the Center of Percussion -- the 'sweet spot' -- of each HI khuk is the zone that is hardest. It is no accident that this is the primary cutting area of the khuk, and will deliver the most efficient cut.

2-Controlling force and depth of strike:
When you swing the khuk at the target, do not think of striking at the surface of the target--but through it or many inches into it. Try cutting plywood edge-on to master this technique. You can draw a line 3-4 inches down on the side of the plywood, and aim for that depth of cut. This also makes you conscious of blade control--by cutting TO the line, not through it or above it, you learn to stop the khuks downward descent so that it does not exit the target out of control and into one's leg or arm or rocky ground...you also get a feel for the strikes that are too weak or not perpendicular to the target.

3- Ignore the Point (or tip) of the khuk:
When using the khuk for cutting, realize that the tip (meaning the part of the blade that extends past the sweet spot) is really not the cutting area--The point is the secondary cutting area of the khuk. Most folks when swinging a sword or long blade for the first time want to strike with the point. This is not the sweet spot, and delivers an ineffective cut with no mass behind it (and using the softer tip, also a no-no).
Basically, the last few inches of the khuk are there to put mass further out past the sweet spot, which is mass that converts to a more forceful blow. The tip is there to roll the blade through the target without snagging.
When test cutting, ignore the tip of the khuk--act as if the khuk stops right after the hardened area. You will be surprised how well the tip of your khuk will hold up when it it not used as a primary chopping edge.

Edge profile:
HI khuks are maed with different edge geometry, which can mean there are different khuks for different tasks. I would not use a thinly profile blade to cut wood, but it'd do a job on reeds, brambles, grass, uncerbrush (i.e Gelbu special). I would not use a thicker profiled blade to cut lighter targets, bur it would be perfect for chopping lots of wood or harder test targets. The more obtuse the blade geometry, the better the blade will hold up to exreme cutting--conversely, it may not cut as deeply as a thinner model.

Confirm your target:
Know the composition of your target, and ensure that it is not harder than your khuk.
When cutting certain high carbon or spring steels could really chew up a khuk. You can test target hardness by runnng the hardened are of the khuk along the target material, like peeling a carrot or shaving a sliver from a stick. If the khuk cuts or bites into the material, then you pretty well know how things are gonna go. If the surface is resistant to the khuk and the khuk will not bite, then you'd be better off not striking the target. Keep in mind that it is possible to successfully cut small amounts or thinn pieces of material as hard as the khuk by exercising the principlles in 1,2, and 3. Proper technique can make all the difference.
Some metal things I've cut -- 1/8th inch to 1/4 inch thick copper wire, mild steel electric fence wire (single strand), sheet brass and wire, sheet bronze, zinc and copper pennies quarters. Opted not to cut nickles, tho -- pretty thick and hard. Metal Things I expect to cut in the future--thin sheet metal, soft stainless steel as used in table ware, small amounts of iron or mild steel...

Conclusion:
If you practice for a while, master blade control and can use your wrist in conjunction with the swing to 'snap' the blow into the target, You will be ready for the more destructive cutting tests. My bet is that after you practice effective striking for a while, you'll be able to cut at least a single strand of that chain link with your same khuk. and If I'm wrong, hey--it was already dinged up, right;)

Have fun, and buy a khuk just fer looking at. Scars add character.

Keith
 
That sucks, I would be in bits !!

That's what users are for I suppose, lucky it wasn't a Kothimora !!

:eek:
 
I'd email Cliff Stamp for advice. I think Uncle's right too. I don't hit chain with mine. Not unless the Terminator was coming for me and I had to open a gate real fast.
Bending instead of breaking is what it was supposed to do.




munk
 
Daniel-- sorry to hear about your khuk. Hopefully future sharpenings will erase the scars.

Ferrous-- that's a very informative post. Thanks a bunch.
--Josh
 
keep in mind that chain-link grows wild in New Zealand. It's an indigenous element to the land, so the occasional cutting into it may be unavoidable.

It's like the marsupials in Australia.



Kis
:rolleyes:
 
Thanks Ferrous - I am actually pretty good with my kukri and hitting with the sweet spot - I just was stupid and wasn't thinking about what I was doing - my setup was bad. I had the 4x2 flat on the ground so my hand would hit the ground if I had used the sweet spot. I'm thinking of doing a proper setup and doing it properly (with thinner chain to start with!)... maybe a good excuse to buy a new kukri, right? :)
 
sure is, man. I use a 2 foot tall by 12" diameter log for cutting. gets ythe target up a bit and, as you mantion, gets the hand up a bit. Accidents do happen, no need to feel it was stupid or anything. My post was not to criticise, just to share and inform. I feel you understand this, and do not feel that I was reprimanding or lecturing. I jsut started musing on my findings, as I too have some dings in the softer spots of my khuk edge.

Keith
 
Just hope your greeter at the Pearly Gates is Saint Peter rather than Mr. Murphy.
 
No worries Ferrous - this a great place to share knowledge!

I now only have one question: which kukri to buy next? :) (I wish... dental bills are looming)
 
Isn;t that alsways the question? ;)

For really heavy chopping, the 18" AK. For a slicer, wither the Sirus or Gelbu Specials. If you're into fullers, the Chitlangi or 'discontinued' YCS. Or M43 for its arcing contrast to the angular wwII.

Keith
 
how do I do that? I suppose I could append the message to the safety thread, unless there are any objections or suggestions for a better location.

Keith
 
I think Mr. Patton has a story or 2 to tell about how not to break in a khuk under extreme use !!

:)
 
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