I think I finally get it...

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"Shoot, where did that can opener go?!"

"Bob, where do you keep your screwdrivers?"

"My belt doesn't fit, anyone got a knife so I can make a new hole?"

"I hate these zip ties and clamshells, anyone got a knife?"


Life throws us many curve-balls, and sometimes, you are caught with your pants down. There are times when you feel unprepared, you don't have that tool for the job, or things just aren't going your way at all...but that's life, eh? Well, like many of you, I have felt this many, many times in my short time I have spent on this Earth, and I have continually felt that way a good portion of the time. That may be why I now carry the gear I do in my pockets (Jute twine, cell phone, a knife or 2, my wallet, a flashlight, a bandanna and my keychain with a whistle, lighter, P38, Vic Classic, etc...); I like to be prepared.

Following this philosophy, I have been attempting to find the perfect knife, that one EDC, that meets all of my need perfectly without feeling under-equipped. Over the years, I have tried every avenue I could possibly think of, but have always found an issue with my daily carry: it's too bulky, not enough blade length, the lack of a point, the steel was too soft, it seemed cheap...I appreciated many knives for what they were, but I could never be content 100% with what I had. I even tried SAK's, but my stubbornness made me put them back on the shelf due to the lack of patina and the softness of he steel. Honestly, I found the plastic scales unattractive...I guess aesthetics were more important to me than I thought.


Anyway, getting to the point, I have tried everything it seems, stockman, jacks, TL-29's, Opinels, Trappers and a Sodbuster, but I still felt as if I was missing out on something. Last night and today, however, have shed a lot of light on my predicament. The quotes above are just some of the problems that I came across whilst setting up for the Christmas Eve party at my Uncle's, and at my home today.

I was able to solve these problems with my Wenger Soldier without any problems...

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This made me realize that a lot of the emergencies that I thought I would come across, were nothing more than speculative. I mean, do I really (in my daily life, yours may vary...) need a wood saw everyday? Do I really need that shaving sharp edge? Do I really need a bunch of fancy gear in case a problem may happen once a year? Do I really need a knife that can hold it's edge forever? Does my blade have to have a patina to be pretty? Should I really be treating my knives as anything other than tools? Is it really that important to baby my knives and protect the edge so it stays sharper longer?

In short, the answer many of you would say is no, and I came to that same answer last night. I do not need all of these things, I need something practical that I can use every day...not only that, but it is a tool, nothing more, so I should not treat it any differently. I should carry something because it will do what I need, I should force myself to like a pattern that will do nothing for me.

Well, I finally found that pattern that works, it is something that I completely overlooked and never appreciated until now...the Soldier-type patterns and SAK's.
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It has everything I should ever need to use in such a light and compact package, nothing more, and nothing less. I think that I should have paid more attention over the years. Even my collection should have given away what works for me.
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Even though the steel may not hold an edge forever, even though it may not patina, even though they may not have fancy handle materials or be necessarily elegant, it is their simplicity and ruggedness that I find so attractive. It is the epitome of tradition, modernization, evolution and functionality in my opinion. It may not be the best in many of your eyes, but I haven't found anything else that works for me like this...I have been ignoring stainless steels and SAK's for too long, I put forth aesthetics before functionality, a big mistake!

Much has changed, but they are still the same in their usefulness.
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I think I have finally found the pattern for me,and it feels wonderful to say that. I still have much to learn, and I have a lot of time for my mind to change; I guess I should say that this is 'the pattern' for the time being.I am young, who knows, I may find out that there is something else out there for me!



I guess the etching was right so far:
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I wish you all a Merry Christmas, and I thank those of you whom took the time to read my unnecessarily long thread. Have a wonderful rest of the night everyone!!!

-Deadfall :D
 
While I applaud your coming to a conclusion and finding your "grail"
i had had a very similar "epiphany myself the other day. I even brought my wenger SI out to my mother-in-laws for Christmas in case any toy assembly was required. Meanwhile i had a chance to do a little whittling.

now i am comparing to case and gec's carbon steel, but "soft" steel is no exaggeration, didnt take but 15-20 minutes of whittling on a dead branch (granted a very tough wood as of now unidentified) and it was butter knife dull. I was pretty keenly disappointed at just how quickly it got dulled.

perhaps i had it sharpened to thin and the edge couldnt take the abuse and i need to widen my angle. I may just give it another shot, but it has made me extremely leery of sak steel.

I wish you the best and hope it works better for you though

Sorry, just a little introspective on this christmas day :P
 
Not a worry Rsmith, I appreciate any input you guys may have! I don't like how soft the steel may be, but it is easy to get back to hair-poppin' in no time though. I have come to like how well SAK's cut even when dull ( depending on what is being cut of course). Now, if Victorinox were to make their knives with better steel, I would buy out their entire inventory in a heartbeat, hehe.

Thanks for you input!
 
This is good stuff.


[video=youtube;peO0akVMNbg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peO0akVMNbg[/video]
 
I have this little Multitook my Dad's wife gave to me. It's this super small coast one, but it has a pliers, knife, and like 10 other tools on it. It's just so useful and small.
 
This is good stuff.


[video=youtube;peO0akVMNbg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peO0akVMNbg[/video]

i have watched this video before
and you may be right...but i stand by my earlier post.

that being said, the caveat is, i am not sure what the branch was...could have been some sort of hard wood that would have dulled any of my knives :/
 
Somebody, maybe GEC.... maybe Case... or who knows, maybe even Bear & Sons is going to wake up one day and realize that what the world... ok... at least the N. American market and maybe the world needs is not another modern looking Camp/Scout/Army knife and not, please no, not a replica of a 1930s camp knife. Instead, how about a traditional looking camp knife with an updated selection of tools and good quality carbon or stainless steel. Man, I would love that.

Until then, I had my epiphany when, on advice from an older work mate to take my Leatherman Micra off of my key ring where it was under used and put in my LFP as a back up to the single blade folder in my RFP. This has been my do it all combo for about a year now.


Every Day Carry Pairing by Pinnah, on Flickr
 
Somebody, maybe GEC.... maybe Case... or who knows, maybe even Bear & Sons is going to wake up one day and realize that what the world... ok... at least the N. American market and maybe the world needs is not another modern looking Camp/Scout/Army knife and not, please no, not a replica of a 1930s camp knife. Instead, how about a traditional looking camp knife with an updated selection of tools and good quality carbon or stainless steel. Man, I would love that.

Until then, I had my epiphany when, on advice from an older work mate to take my Leatherman Micra off of my key ring where it was under used and put in my LFP as a back up to the single blade folder in my RFP.

I agree with you 100%. We can only hope for such a thing to happen!

That is a nice combo by the way, I have my Micra buried somewhere around this house...:D
 
The good old alox soldier might just be the perfect edc pocket knife. I had a few over the years, and found them to be all i need in a pocket knife/tool.
That said, these days, if i carry a farmer, a soldier, or anything else besides my trusty serpentine friend called peanut :D, it's just for backup when harder, abusive jobs arise. That's where the soldier/pioneer excels at. Like you said, it's a problem solver :D, and a terrific edc, though quite underrated.
But now, for me, at least regarding regular urban carry and small cutting jobs that i come by in a day, the peanut is perfect.

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there is a czech modder who customizes SAKs very nicely, with micarta handles and screw pins etc, in addition to this, he replaces the blade with a 440c blade. I like SAKs the way they are and don't mind the softer steel, but this might be an (expensive) alternative for those wanting a SAK with tougher steel.
 
This thread makes me really think. I do believe in a two knife, one LM EDC for maximum utility. I will have a trusty traditional always, a soon to be mine Ritter Grip, and a multitool unless my traditional is a SAK. On the keychain is a Rambler, 4-way screwdriver, a Maglite Solitaire, used to be a P-38, but I lost it :confused:. I would personally prefer to have a belt sheath sized LM, but only because the small LM's I own have scissors. I can see no problem with the weight of this whole outfit, holding the carabiner of keys/tools on the right, and the LM on the right.

Connor
 
While I applaud your coming to a conclusion and finding your "grail"
i had had a very similar "epiphany myself the other day. I even brought my wenger SI out to my mother-in-laws for Christmas in case any toy assembly was required. Meanwhile i had a chance to do a little whittling.

now i am comparing to case and gec's carbon steel, but "soft" steel is no exaggeration, didnt take but 15-20 minutes of whittling on a dead branch (granted a very tough wood as of now unidentified) and it was butter knife dull. I was pretty keenly disappointed at just how quickly it got dulled.

perhaps i had it sharpened to thin and the edge couldnt take the abuse and i need to widen my angle. I may just give it another shot, but it has made me extremely leery of sak steel.

I wish you the best and hope it works better for you though

Sorry, just a little introspective on this christmas day :P

There's wood, and there's wood. If you were cutting on a branch that fell of a poplar tree, or a maple or sycamore, or most other trees, you may not dull your knife to fast. But it you were whittling on a stick that fell of an oak, or a hickory, and it was laying around for a while, long enough to dry out, then you have an almost rock hard wood. I've dulled up a GEC easy open in 1095 whittling on dry oak before realizing what the heck I was doing.

If you cut the end off a stick at an angle and look at the grain in the end, and it has that glassy smooth surface, ya got some real hard wood there. I've seen some wood dull an ax in short order. A pocket knife blade would be no match for it. I've got a Wenger SI, and it's got edge holding a bit better than a Victorinox pioneer. Wenger uses a rolling process for their steel like Buck does, and it's pretty decent stuff. I'd bet ya lunch at a place of your choice you got a hold of a nice dry old piece of oak with a close grain in it.

Carl.
 
There's wood, and there's wood. If you were cutting on a branch that fell of a poplar tree, or a maple or sycamore, or most other trees, you may not dull your knife to fast. But it you were whittling on a stick that fell of an oak, or a hickory, and it was laying around for a while, long enough to dry out, then you have an almost rock hard wood. I've dulled up a GEC easy open in 1095 whittling on dry oak before realizing what the heck I was doing.

If you cut the end off a stick at an angle and look at the grain in the end, and it has that glassy smooth surface, ya got some real hard wood there. I've seen some wood dull an ax in short order. A pocket knife blade would be no match for it. I've got a Wenger SI, and it's got edge holding a bit better than a Victorinox pioneer. Wenger uses a rolling process for their steel like Buck does, and it's pretty decent stuff. I'd bet ya lunch at a place of your choice you got a hold of a nice dry old piece of oak with a close grain in it.

Carl.

now i dont know or verified anything
but the wife confirms that there is ALOT of oak trees out at her mothers. And that particular branch was dead and had to have been lying there for a good long while. The bark was just coming off almost like sawdust ....
didnt think to check the grain to be honest
 
Recently saw a uTube video of Natan Becker, extolling the virtures of the SAK
If I recall, 'not the best steel, but easy to sharpen'

For me, a couple of licks on an extra fine diamond and it is back to shaving sharp
 
Recently saw a uTube video of Natan Becker, extolling the virtures of the SAK
If I recall, 'not the best steel, but easy to sharpen'

For me, a couple of licks on an extra fine diamond and it is back to shaving sharp

Exactly. It is a nice trade-off, IMO. I just sharpened the Pioneer for the first time about 20 minutes ago. I literally spent 2 minutes with 400 grit sandpaper and it was scary sharp without stropping it first.
 
Groove, thanks for posting that video. I think SAKs, in their various incarnations, are fabulous knives.
 
Deadfall - I think noone of us can go wrong with an SAK. Imo. Even my wife carries a small Wenger in her package every day.

A Victorinox (I don´t know the modell name right now) was my very first knife and I carried it for over 10 years. That was an EDC - though I didn´t know that this word exists anyhow. It´s not like the practical way of these SAKs. They are great knives and the blades are made of great steel which sharpens nicely and keeps the edge a long time. And usually they have tools which can be needed, as well as you mentioned above.

The only thing, I dislike on the SAKs are their scales - plain simple plastic without feeling and appeal. Wood or bone covers with the standard Vic Soldier or Vic Spartan tools would make a perfect EDC for many years. (OK, Wenger makes some in stabilized walnutwood, but I don´t like the shape of the handles at all)

:)
 
@Connor: I keep a larger multitool in my day pack for the rare time I need pliers or metal file. I'll carry it on the belt on weekends doing yard/house chores. But day to day, I find I just don't need pliers that often. Also, the Micra has the best folding scissors I've ever tried. Super useful. Always in the pocket. Perfect backup for a traditional knife, IMO.

RE Vic Steel: IIRC, it's hardened to about 55RC. It may take a crude edge quickly, but I find it very frustrating to put a fine edge on as it holds a wire edge a lot, at least IME.

RE Vic Scales: I find they fall off with frequcy. Ugg.
 
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