I thought all Sage series shared a common blade...

Cereal_killer

Cereal_killer

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Having been around spyderco and here awhile I always read the Sage series uses the same blade. I've now got a Sage 1 and 3 and there are several very noticeable differences in the blade as well as the handle shape. What I'm wondering is, is the sage 1 & 2 blade exactly the same? Also what will the Sage 5 & 6 blades be like?

The differences- Sage 1 blade is .090" thick, S3 is .100", S3 blade is approximately .2" longer, S3 handle is about .25" taller (from the bottom of the open knife to the top) (this is understandable cause of the nested handle, the liners of the S3 are the same size as the S1 handle).

Does anyone have a S4 to compare to the S3 and see the differences there? Also does the S2 use the .090" or the .100" blade stock?

I have seen several Sage 1.5's so I know the handle of the 1 & 2 must be exactly the same, only wondering about the blade thickness on those 2... This is what I'm most concerned about as I'm planning my own Sage 1.5 as my first really high end Ti frame lock but I'm hoping for the .100" blades stock like on my S3.


Also on topic will the new S3CF still use the .100" blade or has it been changed?
 
I have one of the new Sage 3 with CF/G-10 Laminate incoming. I have the the other four including the discontinued Sage 3 with Blue G-10. I'll weigh and measure them once I get the new one.

See page 20 of the 2014 Spyderco Product Guide for specs on the various Sage models.

I know there are subtle variances for instance for Sage 1 in what the Spyderco website says and the new 2014 catalog.
 
Sage 1, 2, and 4 are all the same, for the most part. The Sage 3 has a bit of a different blade shape due to the Bolt Action lock.
 
Since each of the locking mechanisms are different, each of the blades have different shapes. They are all generally leaf-shaped and approximately the same size - however, there are lots of differences in the tang area to accommodate the locking mechanism. The proportions of the Sage 3 are noticeably different - the blade is a bit taller.

These blades are "cousins", not twins with different clothing.

TedP
 
You heard wrong, or misinterpreted what you heard. All the knives in the Sage series use the same basic blade shape, and at least some users found the blades of the Sage I and II to be interchangeable but, as Ted noted, they all have different locks so the tangs have to be different.

As for blade thickness, not sure where you are getting your info from. Spyderco shows the Sage I, II, and III as .125" each, and the Sage IV as .118", but also shows all four of the as 3mm thick. So it may be more a matter of them correcting a spec that was a hair off than a change in the blades themselves. Especially since, while I won't vouch for the accuracy of my digital caliper, I will vouch for its consistency and it says that my Sage I, II, III, and IV all have .117" thick blades.
 
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Everything I've been reading and watching about the Sage series has said the blades were the same, so it's a bit disturbing to now hear they are not the same.
 
Thanks. That's what is important as far as I'm concerned. Differences due to attachment point or locking mechanisms would be unavoidable I'm assuming.
 
The Deacon said:
As for blade thickness, not sure where you are getting your info from. Spyderco shows the Sage I, II, and III as .125" each, and the Sage IV as .118", but also shows all four of the as 3mm thick. I won't vouch for the accuracy of my digital caliper, I will vouch for its consistency. It says that my Sage I, II, III, and IV all have .117" thick blades.
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Using my blue-point mic I get .090 just in front of the pivot hole in the tang (so I'm measuring before the taper) of my Sage 1 and .103" for my Sage 3 at the same spot. I don't have my Sage 3 to measure (sent it to a friend to try out) but there is not one spot on my S1 blade that's the full 3mm they spec it at, guess I never noticed the specs before...


As for where I got my info about the blades being the same, I'm holding the paper catalog in hand- "every knife in the Sage series features the same basic design parameters- flat-ground, leaf-shaped CPM S30V blade... Does that not read as saying the knives share the same blade? I understand the required differences for the different lock type but lock type doesn't have any effect on the tip of the blade or the length where the main differences are.

What I'm most concerned about is I want the tenth-an-inch thicker blade for my custom build "Sage 1.5".
 
Same basic design parameters. They all share the same grind, bladesteel, and basic shape. The different types of locking mechanisms would mean that they are obviously not the same. How hard is that to grasp that concept?
 
Actually, no, it doesn't say "read as saying the knives share the same blade." What it says is: "...the same basic design parameters..."

Cereal_killer said:
Using my blue-point mic I get .090 just in front of the pivot hole in the tang (so I'm measuring before the taper) of my Sage 1 and .103" for my Sage 3 at the same spot. I don't have my Sage 3 to measure (sent it to a friend to try out) but there is not one spot on my S1 blade that's the full 3mm they spec it at, guess I never noticed the specs before...


As for where I got my info about the blades being the same, I'm holding the paper catalog in hand- "every knife in the Sage series features the same basic design parameters- flat-ground, leaf-shaped CPM S30V blade... Does that not read as saying the knives share the same blade? I understand the required differences for the different lock type but lock type doesn't have any effect on the tip of the blade or the length where the main differences are.

What I'm most concerned about is I want the tenth-an-inch thicker blade for my custom build "Sage 1.5".
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The Deacon said:
You heard wrong, or misinterpreted what you heard. All the knives in the Sage series use the same basic blade shape, and at least some users found the blades of the Sage I and II to be interchangeable but, as Ted noted, they all have different locks so the tangs have to be different.

As for blade thickness, not sure where you are getting your info from. Spyderco shows the Sage I, II, and III as .125" each, and the Sage IV as .118", but also shows all four of the as 3mm thick. So it may be more a matter of them correcting a spec that was a hair off than a change in the blades themselves. Especially since, while I won't vouch for the accuracy of my digital caliper, I will vouch for its consistency and it says that my Sage I, II, III, and IV all have .117" thick blades.
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Or, in fewer words: the combined effects of normal production tolerances and rounding. ;)
 
Cereal_killer said:
Using my blue-point mic I get .090 just in front of the pivot hole in the tang (so I'm measuring before the taper) of my Sage 1 and .103" for my Sage 3 at the same spot. I don't have my Sage 3 to measure (sent it to a friend to try out) but there is not one spot on my S1 blade that's the full 3mm they spec it at, guess I never noticed the specs before...
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My measurements were all taken on the tang portion of the blade spine, just in front of the handle. All four of mine measured .117" at that point, and, unless you somehow got a oddball blade, I strongly suspect your Sage I would measure that on my digital caliper.

Cereal_killer said:
As for where I got my info about the blades being the same, I'm holding the paper catalog in hand- "every knife in the Sage series features the same basic design parameters- flat-ground, leaf-shaped CPM S30V blade... Does that not read as saying the knives share the same blade? I understand the required differences for the different lock type but lock type doesn't have any effect on the tip of the blade or the length where the main differences are.
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No, I'd read it as saying that all the knives in the Sage series will have leaf shaped blades of approximately the same size and shape and (assuming Crucible keeps making it) the blades will all be S30V. I can see someone wondering if the blade from a Sage 1 and that from a Sage II would be interchangeable, given that a RIL is merely a variant of the Walker liner lock. Not sure how anyone could assume that Walker Reeve Integral, Bolt Action, and midlock blades could conceivably be interchangeable.

Cereal_killer said:
What I'm most concerned about is I want the tenth-an-inch thicker blade for my custom build "Sage 1.5".
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Regardless of how the blades mike out, the sensible way to create your FrankenSpyder is to just swap front halves of the handles and keep the blades with their respective locks. I'm fairly sure that's how everyone else who has done this over the years did it, or at least everyone who did it successfully.
 
David Lowry said:
Not sure what part of "for the most part" you didn't understand. I mean you did bold it in quoting me. For the most part does not mean completely. It means most parts are the same.




Thanks Paul for answering this.
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I already got the answer which I acknowledged, but to close the loop on this, the part I didn't understand concerning your reply is that you said they were the same.................. for the most part. So, to me, that meant they're weren't the same, as the same would have just been a simple YES, they are the same, without additional commentary. Like I said, it was clarified later in the thread and makes perfect sense and is understandable why there would be differences in the attachment and locking mechanisms portion of the blade. I appreciate the help and the responses, as I have much to learn and that's why I read and ask a bunch of questions. Have a good evening and again, thank you.
 
this_is_nascar said:
I already got the answer which I acknowledged, but to close the loop on this, the part I didn't understand concerning your reply is that you said they were the same.................. for the most part. So, to me, that meant they're weren't the same, as the same would have just been a simple YES, they are the same, without additional commentary. Like I said, it was clarified later in the thread and makes perfect sense and is understandable why there would be differences in the attachment and locking mechanisms portion of the blade. I appreciate the help and the responses, as I have much to learn and that's why I read and ask a bunch of questions. Have a good evening and again, thank you.
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It's all good homie. No harm no foul. Enjoy them Sages. ;)
 
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