If it don't rust don't trust it

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I find that this has carried over into my tastes in other knives as well. I've hung up my tactical folders and my pockets have been filled with carbon steel slip joints. I've been looking at the BK10 Crewman and TOPS Prairie Fox, both carbon steel. Those are the only fixed blades that aren't khukuris to catch my eye. Am I the only one to who feels compelled to go back to basics?

Frank
 
I ended up getting a couple of Spyderco folders only because I don't know of any good carbon folders out there. Cold Steel makes one but the quality isn't as high. :(

Otherwise most everything else is carbon. Actually most everything else is a khukuri. :)

Wanna buy a tanto? :D
 
I am with you Sarge. But I did just get a folder from A.G. Russell with ats34 steel that looks promising. We shall see how it performs. This is my first exploration into stainless actually.
 
Fallkniven makes some cool stuff. Some are of that laminated stainless steel. They have a real nice sharp convex edge too!:)
 
So which stainless types are to be avoided? I received a Silver Stag Bowie from a client for Christmas and it's 420. Never been out of the sheath. Kinda soulless to me, but what kinds are the worst?
 
Stainless steels can be very good working knives. Even 420 will make a good knife! Some of the modern SS like S30V have around the same toughness as A2 which is a pretty tough carbon steel but not as tought as 5160 or 1084. For smaller fixed blades I think any SS will do great but when you get into larger fixed blades SS like 440 A,B, and C do well along with S30V, 420 and even ATS34 if it is tempered in the high range ( I think over 900 degrees IICR) this makes it much tougher! ATS34 got a bad rap for being brittle because most makers tempered it at the low range and this made it tend to chip out! BG42 is also a sweet steel that performs awesome!:)
 
"Re: If it don't rust don't trust it."

Originally posted by SilverFoxKnows
I find that this has carried over into my tastes in other knives as well.

I've been looking at the BK10 Crewman and TOPS Prairie Fox, both carbon steel.

Those are the only fixed blades that aren't khukuris to catch my eye.

Am I the only one to who feels compelled to go back to basics?

Frank

Naaw. If everyone felt this way we would still be using stone tools.:rolleyes: :p ;)

Can you just imagine what was first said about copper when it was first smelted and made into tools?
Look at the "Iceman" whom is now named Otzi and his copper axe.
The copper is much softer than a stone tool, but also less brittle and so apt to less chipping.
So is that why it was smelted, and at great cost because the process somehow produced arsenic that was hazardous to those people's health although they probably weren't aware of it?
Then came the addition of tin to the copper for bronze which made even a much more usable tool.
Then someone discovered how to smelt iron. How about a knife or tool made from pure, or as pure an iron as could be smelted back then?
It surely must've been better than bronze or we wouldn't have developed iron into steel.

Carbon is iron's friend, but can also be iron's enemy as a little of it in iron is good for tools like knives and such, but in large amounts, say 4% or 5% the iron becomes brittle and usless for a knife although I had rather have a knife made from cast iron than I would one made out of copper, not so sure about bronze as I don't know what its performance may be like even though I do know some bronze is dayumed tough to machine.
I do speak from experience when I say a cut from cast iron is a whole lot nastier than a carbon steel knife material, at least they were/are on me.

There is a place in today's world for stainless steel knives and other similar tools and it has improved leaps and bounds over the years.
Everyone I'm sure recalls the crappy cheap stainless that knives were first made of when stainless made its debut.:barf:
(I had an old Japanese Fishing Knife that was so soft it would load up a file similar to copper!!!!:barf: It was nigh impossible to get an edge on and when you did it wouldn't last.)
In today's world I would and do much prefer a whole lot of various foods that has been prepared in stainless cooking utensils compared to the old cast iron, although for certain things the old cast iron cannot be surpassed.
(Aluminium is a whole 'nother subject as far as health is concerned and in my opinion it should Never be used as a surface for cooking acidic foods such as tomato sauce and s
similar!!!!)
For instance a really good long simmered spaghetti sauce cooked in a cast iron pot develops a flavor I just don't really care for, although I have to admit the iron content may be helpful for people that doesn't get a lot of iron in their diet from other sources.
To me the stainless cookware much surpases the old cast iron!!!!
The same is true for kitchen stainless knives.
Such kitchen knives as the famous Old Hickory Brand that was/is made from a good quality of high carbon steel makes some foods cut with them have a nasty flavor compared with the same food being prepared with a stainless blade.

So, like most things there are many pros and cons about carbon versus stainless knives and other similar tools but in the end both have their place where they excell.
I don't believe that one is superior to the other.
Just different.
 
I've couldn't agree with Yvsa more. I lean toward carbon steel as a matter of personal preference, but stainless definitely has a place. Many of the knives I make are for friends in the military. I started out with carbon steel blades, but got way too many complaints about rusting/staining since they were often submitted to high use/low maintenance situations. Started using good Swedish stainless steel blades for knives going to "grunts", and have never had a complaint with their durability, cutting performance, or edge retention. Granted, these knives I'm talking about aren't big choppers or "combat knives". They're 4-5" blade belt knives that are used hard and often because they're small and useful.

Sarge
 
Stainless steel is soul-less steel to me. I don't doubt you could hand me a Loveless or a Randal in stainless and I'd disappear it quicker than you'd believe.

But some things: khukuris, bowies, axes, & swords just need to be of carbon steel. They need to be forged. Don't make me try to explain it. The smith that forges it puts a bit of his soul into it. That bit of his soul is the yeast, the leavening that lets you form a bond with the knife, just as beer and wine need yeast to ferment, and bread leavening to rise.

That doesn't mean a stainless blade can't achieve a spirit, a soul, a personality to you in it's use for a long time. That doesn't mean stock removal prevents it, or that a mass made can't become meaningful to you. It just makes it a harder and longer process.
 
Frankly, I take whatever I can get my hands on and try everything out. I have yet to develop any hard-line preferences. There are still a few out there that I'd like to try...
 
I tend to prefer carbon steel myself, not that there aren't some good stainless steels out there. I like the patina that a carbon blade develops with use, and I like thease of sharpening and the kind of edge I can put on a carbon steel blade.

One stainless steel I like is VG-10. It takes an edge that feels s much like a carbon steel edge as any stainless I've tried. But it is still harder to sharpen.
 
to sharpen well, so that may be part of my preference of carbon steel. And thin bladed slip joints cut better for me than my thick grind tac folders. Also, many of the super steels are out of my price range. But who knows? I may someday get a good deal on a Spyderco Military or Kershaw Random Task and swear by the super steels. But at this stage in my life traditional folders are what seem to end up in my pockets. Maybe next I'll have to get a Queen trapper in D2.

Frank
 
Originally posted by SilverFoxKnows
to sharpen well, so that may be part of my preference of carbon steel. And thin bladed slip joints cut better for me than my thick grind tac folders.

Maybe next I'll have to get a Queen trapper in D2.

Frank

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