If Nessmuk carried a neck knife. . . . .

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Wonder if it would have looked like this one. Other day my back and shoulders were screaming at me on account of my ditch digging, so to work out the kinks I spent a bit of time with the hammer and anvil (honest, it relaxes me). I really like this little booger, blade is 3.5" of hot forged high carbon tool steel (Nicholson file), 1/8" thick at the spine, and convex ground to a thin, hair popping edge. Handle is antiqued antler, and the tapered tang of the blade runs just over 3/4 the length of the handle. Nothing fancy, just a handy little cutter, with a well forged blade, come in handy for skinning big old catfish I reckon.;)

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Wonderful Looking Piece Sarge, Wonderful Indeed!!!!:thumbup: :cool: :D

Methinks I like your antiqued antler better than I do mine.:thumbup: ;) Would you mind telling us how you do it?
 
Yvsa said:
Methinks I like your antiqued antler better than I do mine.:thumbup: ;) Would you mind telling us how you do it?

I won't go to fibbing Yvsa, there's a fellow that sells knifemaking supplies at the gun show down in Austin (third weekend of each and every month, God bless Texas). I sometimes buy antler pieces from him, and they come pretreated with some sort of chemical compound that turns the outer surface black. Dan might know how it's done, I just know it's purty when you steel wool some of the black off for a bit of contrast.

BTW, the sheath is buckskin over thin 6 oz. veg tanned cowhide. My first attempt at loom beading is rather unimpressive, but I'll get better with practice. :D

Sarge
 
I too cannot tell a lie!

I find this piece of work orgasmic.

(been a while)

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That is neater 'n heck! I'm really envious! (of the talent and the end product!)

I'd try like hell to buy it from ya' if I could offer more than a quarter,three pennies, a button, and a bubble gum wrapper.

One heckuva nice rig, the knife and sheath both.

Yer leavin' some mighty big tracks for us greenhorns to follow in , ya' know!
 
Thanks for the kind words about my newest thumb cutter. Hey, want to try a "Nessmuk-ish" knife on the cheap? Check out a Green River Knife in the style they call a "sheath knife". The blade is four and a half inches of excellent high carbon steel, thin, but surprisingly stiff. The 4" handle is a simple affair, consisting of beechwood slabs held on with cutler's rivets. At $12.95 a pop, this is a knife you can use hard with a clear conscience, and I can tell you from personal experience, Green River knives cut and slice extremely well, don't need a belt sander to sharpen, and hold a respectable edge. I get mine from www.crazycrow.com , but by golly pardner, hang on to your credit card if you visit that site, they've got some neat stuff.

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Sylvrfalcn said:
BTW, the sheath is buckskin over thin 6 oz. veg tanned cowhide. My first attempt at loom beading is rather unimpressive, but I'll get better with practice.:D

Sarge

Okay, thanks Sarge.;) :D

Sarge the loom beadwork isn't all that bad for an early attempt.
If you would like some gentle critique all I can see wrong with it is that the beads are mostly a bit too big for the size project that you have it on.
What are those, size 8 or 10's? ;)
But then I way too often forget that things look bigger on here than they do in person.

One of the most beautiful pieces of beadwork I ever saw whether loom beaded or not was a Southern Straight Dance Belt that was completely beaded except for about a half inch at the top and bottom and maybe an inch from the smaller belts actually used to belt it together.
It had a light green background and was done up in all cut beads that were maybe size 14 but I suspect were much smaller than that, perhaps even a 16 or 18 size!!!!:thumbup:
That belt alone would've been worth at least $1,500.00 of anyone's money and probably as much as a $1,000.00 more!!!!
It costs a lot of money to be an ndn, or a reenactor too I imagine.;) :D
I spotted this belt at a Powwow down at Okmulgee at the Creek Nation Grounds and will never forget it!!!!:thumbup: :cool: :D
 
Ah certainly a beautiful cutter Sarge.:thumbup: Today is my day to assemble a couple. I've got a couple ready now and two ready to finish the grinding on. Anyway I really love the rig. The sheath is beautiful too. Good work.

I am very interested in how a person ages that antler like that. Anyone know? Dan?
 
Once again, he shoots....he scores !!!!


(try taking an aspirin BEFORE you do the ditch work, it mitigates the pain and speeds recovery.)


Edit: from a Google search:
Antiquing & Finishing Techniques


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I color ALL my antler with a propane torch. I usually shade the front, back, top edge etc. with flame. You actually burn for color. Afterwards I take to a cloth buff fixed to a drill and bring up (fast) to as much shine as I wish. It can polish so well as to appear dipped in glass. I also use this techique all the time on wood also, in so many variations I could write a book. Try color shading arrows aldo...I do. (poster).

Try a buffing compound called "brown tripoli" or sometimes just plain "tripoli" on your antlers. It's a type of bone polish and I've seen it at Sears and Lowes here in Ohio. It works great on untreated antler, but when applied to an area that has been finely sanded such as a carving, you can see your reflection in it! Try it you'll like it. (poster)

Good advice, Don. And along the same line... If your muslin buff has been used for polishing metal, it will carry fine metalic dust (black smudge) onto the antler, causing the little grain cracks to discolor. To avoid that, use a clean buff and reserve it for use only on non metalic materials. You can buy a type of tripoli called "White Diamond" that is white and will not discolor the antler. Tripoli is great stuff on antler, bone, plastic, even your scratched plastic watch crystals! But be careful not to overheat the plastics. Speaking of heat... a tripoli charged buff will heat up a bone or antler piece to the point of scorching it. Nice colors can be achieved by carefully watching how much heat is generated. (moderator)
 
The last issue of Tactical Knives had an article about Nessmuks. I was amazed, it was one of the first issues of TK I'd truly enjoyed reading since Jeff Randall had left the staff. Anyhoo, the author had just taken an Old Hickory skinning knife, drew his pattern, and used a dremel too to shape it. (while keeping the blade cool, of course) It looked like a really neat little side project, definitely one I'd like to tinker with some day. Of course, I think if I were gonna do all the blade reprofiling, and make a sheath, a person might as well slap some purtier wood on it...

I wonder if there would be any difference in steel between a Green River skinner and the Old Hickory?

Oh well...some day...I've got too many irons in the fire already...:o
 
hollowdweller said:
I'd like to post yours in there(or you can) if you don't care:thumbup: :thumbup:

Be my guest if you think it'd be useful/amusing to others. :D

RWS, Old Hickory vs. Green River? The Green River blades are a bit pricier than Old Hickory, but the Green Rivers have a nicer finish, and are tempered harder so they hold an edge longer. Either way, you're dealing with thin blades that absolutely excel at cutting/slicing, but I wouldn't try any chopping/prying with 'em, maybe some light baton work at most.

Sarge
 
Kismet said:
(try taking an aspirin BEFORE you do the ditch work, it mitigates the pain and speeds recovery.)

Pain is an old aquaintance, and a good safeguard for keeping my "youthful exuberance" in check. :rolleyes: :p :D

Sarge
 
I,m just dying to hear that hair poppin sound . Since coming on this site I have come to realise that I have a long way to go as far as sharpening goes.
I know my blades are good to go and get the job done .It seems the more I want to do the better I have to do it . I guess thats how we progress .
Neat looking blade .
 
I have to say that the greatest benefit I have received from this forum is the advice on sharpening I've got. Second is finding a great tool.
 
I am still trying to learn more sharpenning skills.....I think sharpenning has stike a ring to me. :o
 
Sylvrfalcn said:
RWS, Old Hickory vs. Green River? The Green River blades are a bit pricier than Old Hickory, but the Green Rivers have a nicer finish, and are tempered harder so they hold an edge longer. Either way, you're dealing with thin blades that absolutely excel at cutting/slicing, but I wouldn't try any chopping/prying with 'em, maybe some light baton work at most.

Sarge

I didn't own any Green River blades until I was grown.
And I can't even remember where I got my first one but think it was a mail order deal.
The first one I got was what I think is called the "Dadley Knife," but I'm not sure and I'm not sure I spelled it right either.:o
I was about 34-35 when I got it and was surprised at its being so thin and light. It also came with a period sheath.

Later on I bought another Green River, what's commonly known as the "Skinner," not sure if they also have one called the "Buffalo Skinner" or not but I think they do and it's a tad larger than the standard skinner.
Somehow the Skinner I bought is Stainless Steel.:o
I didn't even know that Green River made any stainless steel knives until I got it.
It seems to hold an edge okay but it's just not the same as the good carbon steel blades, has no soul, and I've never been real fond of it. It's just a knife that gets used rarely, even though it has a great shaped blade, and lives in one of the knife drawers in the kitchen.

Sarge is spot on when he says the Green Rivers are a little more substantial than the Old Hickory Line as well as holding an edge a bit better.
My brother bought our mom a small set of Old Hickory Knives one year for Christmas at my suggestion.
I was about 12-13 then and had an ulterior motive since mom didn't have any decent knives in the kitchen and I knew I would be able to "borrow" these for some of my craft work.;) :D :o

There was one very small paring knife that I wasn't allowed to use but it was too little for what I needed a knife for anyway so it wasn't a big deal.:D
Most generally the knife I used was the good sized Butcher Knife, had about a 6" blade.
I used the tail offa that knife!!!! And I used it hard, hell I was just a kid remember.;)
And contrary to what Sarge says about chopping and prying with them I did both quite a lot.
I also did quite a bit of batoning with the butcher knife as well.
And all of this work was most generally related to making hardwood, Hickory, Ash, and a little Bois D'Arc, self bows.
The prying I did was enough to visibly bend the blade but not so much that it would take a set and never even close to the breaking point.

The butcher knife is great for splitting straight grained freshly cut hardwoods and quite a bit of sideways pressure can be exerted on it to get the wood to "pop" open down the length of the grain.
And as Sarge has said it is great for cutting and slicing!!!! :D
One of the Green River and Old Hickory's really great benefits is the ease with which they can be sharpened!!!! All in all a two thumbs up series of knives!!!!:thumbup: :thumbup:

Edit:
Here are a couple of links to Crazy Crow Trading Post.
The first link is the Green River Blades and the second link has the completed Green River Knives.
http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=841-400-000 http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=841-200-010

There are some Crazy Crow offerings that aren't worth ordering such as the Hudson Bay Dagger. They appear to be made in India and aren't of the best quality.
Most of the goods they carry are top notch and I recommend Crazy Crow Trading Post highly!!!!
We have bought a lot of different goods such as knife blades, tomahawks, beads, and fan kits, etc and we have always been impressed with the quality and the prices. Just like anything else, you get what ya pay fer.;-)
 
Yvsa, you were spot on about my amateurish beadwork, them beads were way too big. This evening, after I got back from the river and a bit of fishing, I strung up my loom and had another go with much smaller beads. Turned out way nicer looking, thanks for steering me right. Going to "reverse engineer" this next one by making up a really nice scabbard, then make a knife to fit in it. :D

Sarge

btw: Hooked something in the river that pulled like a mule, dang near yanked me in, it got loose and when I reeled in I noticed one of the tines on the light treble hook I was using was bent nearly straight. Am I pumped up now and determined to get back after 'em more heavily armed? You bet :thumbup: :D
 
"A word as to knife, or knives. These are of prime necessity, and should be the best, both as to shape and temper. The "bowies" or "hunting knives" kept on sale are thick clumsy affairs, with a sort of ridge along the middle of the blade, murderous-looking, but of little use: rather fitted to adorn a dime novel or the belt of "Billy the Kid" , than the outfit of a hunter. The one shown in the cut is thin in the blade, and handy for skinning, cutting meat, or eating with."- Nessmuk

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