If you had one opportunity to convince the sheeple of the world...

Kaizen1

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How would you ensure the protection of our rights to carry knives? Imagine a scenario where you had a chance to talk on the news or a talk show to explain to the fear conditioned but well meaning sheeple why we should never give up our right to carry knives. Keep in mind that these again are well meaning people, and their only experiences with knives are either in the kitchen and how the media/government/etc portrays criminals with knives. Perhaps some of these people have been robbed by someone with a knife, or a loved one has been killed by a criminal with a knife. People in these scenarios aren't going to have the same reasoning as those of us who consistently have positive experiences with knives. So if you had the chance, or maybe another BF member had the chance, what would you say, or what would you want someone else to say about this issue?

I realize that there have been similar threads like this, but I think this is a little different. You don't have to give the entire explaination, but are there points that you would think must be addressed or explained to the sheeple? And in specific ways?
 
My experience with people who like to make decisions for others is that there's no persuading or reasoning with them. I don't bother trying.
 
So they can voice their very limited and negative experience about knives and influence the laws in their favor and you don't think it's worth it explain the other side? Not trying to judge, just looking for clarification.
 
Valid question, iggy (hope you're OK with the handle, didn't want you to think I was calling you .... well, you know. ;) )

I was just commenting on the scenario you mentioned, "where you had a chance to talk on the news or a talk show." Using the pro- vs. anti-gun debate that's been going on for decades, I don't see much indication that opinions have been changed much by it .... and that's being kind of generous to the pro-gunners, because I think the country has become more anti-gun. IMO, of course.

As for influencing laws, the way politicians package bills and swap votes on unrelated issues back and forth like kids in love swapping bodily fluids, I'm not sure public opinion is the biggest factor - more like what the politicians think they can get away with while trying to please a big campaign contributor. Want to influence legislation? Own a few politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Besides I kind of prefer having a large part of the population against guns, knives, etc. .... that means they're unarmed, and that gives you and me a tactical advantage!
 
Search around here for the words of James K Mathis. I believe they are in a sticky at the top of one of the forums. He said it all so much better than I could have.

It is in a sticky at the top of the American Knife and Tool Institute forum under the manufacturers section. It is called " a good reason to carry a pocket knife".
 
Dog of War said:
Besides I kind of prefer having a large part of the population against guns, knives, etc. .... that means they're unarmed, and that gives you and me a tactical advantage!

yeah, if you're planning on attacking them:rolleyes: aka- doing the stupid shit that got things banned in the first place.
 
ask them how they open CD's or those stupid clamshell/blister pack things in all the stores now

i can't think of a logical reason NOT to carry a SAK or something on your keys at the very least
 
I recall seeing a Forbes magazine top 20 most important lists. IIRC it was a list of most useful tools of all time, the knife was numero uno on the list...nuf said.
 
Well, its been proven that the worst way to convince people is to attack them personally or attack their standards. The point here is that you're not preaching to the choir -- telling other knife knuts why you think knives are so great and why anyone who dislikes them is crazy -- you are trying to tell the people who like Iggy said, who have relatives or friends killed by knives, or have been mugged at knifepoint, why going about treating knives as weapons is a mistake.

I think I would two things.

The first thing I would personally do, which many people here might disagree with, is disassociate knives with guns. I guess this is more of a not-do rather than a do. IMHO, this is a very important point. I understand that many knuts here are hunters, and therefore see the two as going hand in hand, but there are a lot of gun people who aren't knife people, and a lot of knife people who aren't gun people. I fall into the latter category. I think you can convince more people at large if you present yourself as an independent group, rather than a subset of another group. From another perspective, as Dog of War said, the anti-gun sentiment is already pretty strong, and as a knife knut I would want people to approach knives with an open mind rather than carrying deep-set prejudices over from the gun issue.

Second thing I would do, is tell people a story. There is very little that can capture people's imaginations more or win them over as much as a good story :). Excitement and passion is infectious.

I would tell them first about the history of knives and the human race. Everyone has heard the phrase "a dog is a man's best friend." I would talk about how a knife is the cornerstone upon which human civilization was built. The first tool. How, even before humankind had fire, we had knives, and how each civilization through time has used knives to carve out a place for ourselves on this earth. Like, how in Victorian times, every gentleman and many ladies carried pocketknives and it was considered a mark of distinguishment and culture. How despite all this time and all our technology, we have not found a substitute for this simplest and most elegant of tools.

Then, to the people who have been hurt or have had loved ones hurt by knives, I would say, banning knives does not solve the problem, it only makes it worse. By treating knives as weapons, when they are in fact tools that we use every day even if it is just to prepare and eat our food, they become weapons. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Ignorance is death --- the more you keep knives away from the ordinary man and woman, the less likely they are to understand knives and their capabilities. This means that violent criminals who misuse knives can hurt innocents more easily because they have two elements on their side: surprise, and fear of the unknown. If ordinary people are familiar with knives and their uses, it will be harder for someone to take advantage of them in that way, and less people will be inclined to misuse knives in this way. Why? Because I firmly believe that the more you value something, the less likely you are to use it in a destructive manner. It is not often you hear about someone being killed by an expensive crystal sculpture. People also do not smash other people on the head with an expensive bottle of wine.

It would be a shame to turn something that has served every human being so well for so long into something exclusively for the use of criminals :)

That is what I would say.
 
Dog,

Iggy's fine with me. The name is to keep my ego in check- I'm in a phase in my life where I tend to think I know it all when I'm not careful. Very valid points on your side as well. I believe it was Stalin who said something along the lines of "the power isn't in the voters, but in the vote counters".

3W,

I think it may be an intelligent strategy to disassociate knives with guns because of what DOW was saying. Education of history through the power of story is definitely a great way to go. In sales and influence, story telling is essential to persuasion. I think one of the misconceptions that a lot of people carry around is that knives are outdated and unnecessary in everday life to the average "civilized" person in this technological world. I think a lot of people fail to see the practicality of it from the first person's perspective, especially since they've gone around without it so far. I think if they can't see themselves needing it, they may simply default into the belief that a preference towards knives may somehow indicate criminal/paranoid mindsets. And unforetunately the default comes from media conditioning and personal negative experiences.
 
Well, I train dogs for the field. Retrievers and pointers. There are times when my hard driving dogs get caught up in tight situations. Old fences, small trees, etc. If you have never trained a dog in the field, let me clue you in. All are hard driving dogs. You have to get to them soon if they get caught. One hand on the dog so they do not choke themselves. Other hand getting them loose of the impediment. I like the knives that open with one hand. Benchmade or ken onion. Both knives have saved me three dogs and those dogs have went on to get their akc junior and senior hunt titles.

Only one dog (shooter) I could not get to. He was in the big water about 100 yds from me. Had a tree stuck around his throat while retrieving a duck. He swam to me for about 15 feet then returned to where he got the duck. Shook off the tree, looked at me for command, whistled and he swam back, and he never let go of the duck. He is my best retriever to date and the judges commented that he had perserverance and scored him high.

rhettfcr
 
I wouldn't really bother to. People who have an irrational fear of an inanimate object or are so blinded to reality that they fear the object more than the human predator who wields it (either knife or gun or pipe or bat or pencil, etc) will not be convinced. Fortunately these people remain in the minority as many will wise up as they age, become a victim of crime, or find they cannot rely on the police for protection.

The best thing you can do is to ensure your point of view garner's more political strength than theirs, join an organization that protects civil rights like the NRA and VOTE!
 
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