If you want a chisel, go to a carpenter (long and angry post, sorry!)

This is something I thought about a lot before posting here, but after a total of six hours of hard manual labour with mySharpmaker, the decision to speak out is much easier now.

I understand the concept of a chisel edge, and the reasons that it was adopted on the CQC-7. It is easier to sharpen (on a straight blade, of course, but the curved Commander is a lot more difficult to sharpen on a flat stone), as you only need to hold the wide bevel against the stone, go all the way to the edge and then just strop the reverse side to remove the burr. Also, for a "combat blade", you just need a strong sharpened prybar that will not let you down, and the tanto blade CQC-7B is just that, and really good at it.

On the other hand, when you make a "double-V ground" spearpoint version of the same knife, it seems that this is geared towards utility use. BUT for a utility knife, you need a blade that cuts straigth down, not one that wants to "turn" towards the flat side of the bevel when you try to cut on a straight line. For this reason, or for any other reason that one might have (and you can call me old-fashioned for this), be assured that some people do prefer a true, double beveled, symmetrical ground blade.

For anybody else that does not know it, Emerson's "double-V ground blade" is DEFINITELY NOT A DOUBLE-GROUND EDGE, it is only a sligthly thinner chisel-edged blade, with the chisel edge brought towards the center of the blade width. Now, I cannot find ANY reason for this knife to be like that, other than cutting down on manufacturing costs: it is much easier, quicker and cheaper to grind from one side only, rather than sharpening from both sides of the blade, trying to make the bevels symmetrical and the knife really sharp.

After a lot of manual labour, I finally managed to turn my new spearpoint CQC-7A into a proper double-ground blade. I would have liked to know this in advance... I would also have liked to know about the pocket clip, because it also needed ten minutes of filework (!!!!) so that it could be mounted for tip-down carry (yes, I know, old-fashioned, not "tactical" at all...)

I find all this UNACCEPTABLE, and the reason that I am angry is that the rest of the knife is VERY VERY GOOD. If it was for something I dind't care for, I would just forget about it and move on. But, as I write this, my new CQC-7A is clipped to my pocket, tip-down and double-ground, at last. I am carrying my Emerson more and more lately, I like the shape of the handle and the general quality, but I cannot be an Emerson fanatic for the reasons that I have outlined above.
 
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Costas,
1st Amendment at it's finest !
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(thanx John)

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Costas:

Is your '7A a partially serrated model? If so I believe that the edge was ground that way as a consequence of the serrations. You see, most if not all serrations that I have seen are "chisel ground," and obviously if you try an make a mongrel "combo edge" you must grind the plain portion asymetrically in order for the edge to be aligned properly with the serrations. Yet another reason why combo edges are useless IMO. I'd bet that the plain edged CQC-7A is ground properly and evenly... Anyone know for sure?

PM
 
All of our knives are chisel ground at the edge. This is not because it is cheaper and easier. The single sharpened bevel makes for a stronger and keener edge. Through the development of our product line, it has become a bit of an un-official trademark of our knives as well.

There are no conventional ground knives in the forseeable future for us. Doesn't mean that it won't ever happen. We do not feel that there is anything wrong with a conventional grind, it just isn't us.

I am in the process of moving (a nightmare!) and just packed away the knife collection this morning. Almost all of the 150+ knives I have are NOT chisel ground. But, of course, the knife that I carry every day (a Mach 1 for now) is a Double V ground, chisel edged blade. Works great and holds a sharp and durable edge. I guess that I just don't require the prescision in my day to day cutting jobs that some others do.

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Negative Mr44. The current plain edge models are indeed with a chiseled edge.

Costas: are you referring to have to modify the pocket clip so that it will be able to sit flush with its respective scale? You probably have the older version pivot pin assembly where the female portion (pocket clip side) is a slight rounded bubble shape and is in the clip holes way. The current models have a FLAT female portion pivot pin where it will allow for the proper mounting of tip up carry. Emerson will send you one as an upgrade upon request.

Since I had no definite response many months ago concerning this very problem that to the best of my knowledge I first brought up, I inquired with Mary Emerson at the past NY Show. She explained, that apparently the clip manufacturers made a huge batch of them "off spec" and consequently they did not allow for proper placement for tip down carry. Hope this helps you a bit. Now enjoy the CQC7A.

L8r,
Nakano
 
Oh well.. I suppose it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm still dying for a plain edged Mini CQC-7A to add to my daily carry rotation. Hurry up January!
 
Nakano: yes, it seems that I got one of the older spec knives, with the problem exactly as you describe it.


To Derek: although I disagree, I do respect an honest and straight answer. Thanks!
 
I agree, that chisel grind is a real pain. I own a Spear point CQC 7 and a spear point Raven. I love the design of both knives, and the construction is top notch. However, in use my CQC 7 dulled a bit, and is so difficult to sharpen I gave up. for fear of dulling my Raven, I have retired both to my collection and carry a conventional double ground blade. I know Emerson says it makes a stronger and keener edge, but I beg to differ with the keener part. The edge may be strong, but it is not even close to my MT's, Benchmades, CRKT's, Spyderco's or any others I collect in the sharpness area. I hope Emerson changes his mind and starts offering conventional ground edges on his knives, I for one will not pay $150 + for a knife that is dull and hard to sharpen again.
 
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