yeah I just saw that, thankfully by the time I wanted to order from Schefield knife supply they where closed, I'll call admiral first thing in the morning, the more I look at the size of the brass rod i'm going to use for pins in my handle, I realize how much better it would been if I could find some fatter nickel or brass rivets, what type is easiest to work with. something that would be about 3/16 across or so?