Ill prepared can mean death

after reading this story i remember the reason that i come to these sites, as i am a hunter, abut after going through a typhune that hit alaska one year i decided that i needed to get into learning how to keep myself alive if i was stranded in the wilds. this story is stark warning that mother nature is neutral, she will take your life if you are not ready to deal with her attitude.

he paid a huge price because he was lacking about 20 dollars worth of gear and a little time to learn how to use it.

alex
 
Even when I walk in the woods on known paths I am careful to watch my step . Every time a foot gets caught up on a vine or something I tell myself to slow down and be more careful . Like the man said I am glad this and the other forums exist so I can at least be better prepared for the crap that can befall us all .
 
tony, while having a compass, and a map is a great idea, i would stress survival gear more, what if he had broken his leg, a map wouldnt help there. if you get lost with a map and compass, it doesnt mean youll find your way out before dark. i find much more security in my survival gear when im in deep country than i do with a map, because i know whatever happens i can set up camp and spend the night.
thats just my opinion, and obviously i do carry a map and compass, but i think a little survival gear is more important in the dark, cold forrest, than a map could ever be.
alco141, you make mother nature sound like my ex girlfriend ;)
 
Good Point Elven, I too don't go out with out a PSK, I am usually prepared for the worst because "Murphy's Law" will always come into play.
 
well to be honest, id probably get more lost if i had a map! im better at reading the sun and stars than a map. so i figure if im not good at map navigation, ill carry a couple days worth of food and some survival equiptment.
 
Kevin the grey said:
Even when I walk in the woods on known paths I am careful to watch my step . Every time a foot gets caught up on a vine or something I tell myself to slow down and be more careful . Like the man said I am glad this and the other forums exist so I can at least be better prepared for the crap that can befall us all .


Agreed Kevin,

Rolled my ankle too many times. I calculate nearly every step now and especially off trail.

Skam
 
As Alco141 said, "Nature is neutral." I've said that for many years, rather than the old nonsense of "Mother Nature is so cruel." B.S.

Nature is neither cruel, nor benevolent. Nature merely IS!

That said, I don't know how many times over these many years, that someone has laughed at me for taking along my small daypack, with the usual "survival" items, no matter how short the distance I might be going from camp, horse, or vehicle. Twice, while hunting, I've had to stay overnight "on the mountain," in very cold, snowy weather. Both times, my gear made it possible for me to get through the night, not particularly comfortably, but at least, safely and in good health. It's amazing what having a fire, a rough shelter, some water, a bit of jerky, and a candy bar can do for one's disposition on the side of a rough mountain.

I have known of two incidents where those people who made fun of me, ended up in very, very dangerous situations because they did not have the stuff I carry in my daypack, nor would they have known how to use it if they did.

For whatever reasons, living in denial ("It can't happen to me."), arrogance, just plain ignorance, or laziness, etc., many people do just as the man in the Mont. article did... and often, they pay for it, either with their health, or their lives.

Nope, my old daypack with my "stuff" always goes with me.

L.W.
 
i agree with lean wolf, i tend to carry most of my basics in a pocket or two, then a small backpack or fanny pack to take the larger items, water bottle, more shelter material. poncho and liner strapped to the top of the pack. i like haveing the basics attached to my body, knife and sheath, tied to the bow loop of a thigh pocket of my hunting pants. i had a small pack unzip on me once, i dont have that much trust in them now, i tend to put some type of zipper lock on them now.

shame, a couple of space blankets, a zip lock with a couple of bic lighters, firesteel, matches and some vaseline soaked cotton balls, binder twine, a couple of candy bars, hot chocolate mix, tea and coffee,tin cup, knife with a saw blade, whistle. he would have been alive and well when they found him. brewing them a cup of tea when they showed up. amazing what a cup of hot chocolate will do for you when you are cold and tired, we drank hot tang in alaska on one trip. probably less than 20 bucks worth of stuff. is your life worth 20 bucks?

alex.
 
alco's rules of survival:
1. never leave the concrete without a survival kit on your body.

2. never get into a bush plane without a sleeping bag.

3. one is none, two is one. if you have one knife you can lose it and have none, if you have two and lose one you still have one

4. always have a back up plan

5. check your rifle and check your six

alex
 
Good advice all. Too bad more people don't take it. The pack that I take is relatively heavy, and it does slow me down some. So I do more heavy squats and bike work to make sure that I can handle it. I do move a tad slower than folks with nothing, but I can survive in relative comfort for at least a week. It's worth it to me.
 
I really don't understand -why and how- this happen.



Why not prepare?










plan no useless move, take no step in vain.
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ishiyumisan
 
similar episodes happen when police are killed by a criminal, they had never had any type of scenario occur to them in which a criminal did not immediately surrender, therefor they have never had to go through in their mind what would i do if the criminal does not surrender but attacks me instead. when they meet up with a criminal that attacks them instead of giving up they get killed.

to this man he split up from his hunting buddy, just like they had done many times over the years. he was hunting a local area, so he would just meet up with his buddy back at the truck just like usual. except he took a wrong turn, it got dark, the weather turned colder than usual, it is snowing and he is getting wet, he kept walking but did not get to the truck, now he was not only getting colder but he was becoming exhausted, the combination of the two sapped his ability to think in a very profound but insideous way. the only plan he had was to keep walking, , this is the only thing that he has programed his mind to do, he did not really program his mind that he might have to overnight, he did not program his mind that he should start a fire, after all the truck was just up the road a bit wasent it. now he is getting colder, his ability to think is clouded as his body is using all the available stores of glucose that are available to keep walking and to keep warm, ever see a diabetic with low blood sugar, just like a drunk. drunks dont think too well. now his blood sugar is getting used up and his brain can only think about getting back to the truck, he is not really capable of thinking about changing his actions and getting settled for the night. now he just keeps going untill he cant walk anymore, has depleted available glucose stores from his liver, sits down and starts to shiver, which uses up a whole lot of energy that he does not have. body core temperature continues to drop, he has no way to warm up,has lost motor coordination, he is now beyond the point of self rescue, at this point even if he had the means to start a fire and make camp he would not be able to physically do it, he needs someone to find him, to get him warm, but the rescue team shows up hours later, now his temperature is really depressed, they try to warm him with clothing, but he does not have much ability to make a lot of heat, he needs to beactively warmed, hot air to breath, hot fluids placed via IV route, hot fluids placed through a tube into his stomach, glucose to restore his ability to make heat and to think. he is dying slowly, the rescue team knows this but cant help him, he needs a hospital. but they cant get him out, the weather has closed in on them. he finally get to a clearing and is picked up by chopper gets to the hospital, but has slipped into irreversable shock, he dies.

that is how it happens, the most insideous part of the equation is the subtle effects that the cooling of the body and the massive blood glucose drain have on the brains ability to think. you know that kids that dont eat breakfast do worse on exams-- the brain needs fuel, what about this guy he has drained all his fuel after hunting in rough terrain all day, now chilling his body with wet clothes and cold temperatures. this guy was not capable of reacting, his mind was like a broken record player-- i need to find my truck-- i need to find my truck. this was the only program available for the computer to run.

alex
 
my law enforement teacher told me a story about hot twhen the police still carried the .38.
at the range, the was so much spilled casings fom the men just dumping out the cylinder, they would teach them to always dump it into a trash can. they practiced everything they were suppossed to, but the always emtied into a trash can.
one day a cop got into a gun fight with a criminal, and he fired off his 6 shots, they found the man dead, and the criminal had escaped. do you know why? because after his 6 shots, the officer looked in vain for a trash can to empty his empties. he was shot and killed because his C.O. gave him a bad training habit. lie the old saying goes, "train how you fight, fight how you train" well this time i cost a man his life.
if you decide to prepare yourself for survival, and you want to go out and practice a certain skill, such as firestarting. dont just go with you flint and steel, take all of your gear, make it a habit. that way when you need it, itll be you habit to take it with you.
 
That's the key, ALWAYS carry a basic kit. Mine is spread throughout my EDC backpack with a Ritter PSK and 40' of 550 cord in a separate bag in the bottom. Knife, Fire making gear, basic shelter is in there, but more applicable to this case is my Garmin Geko and a UK4AAeLED. Getting back to your truck is a lot easier when you know where it is.
 
alco141 said:
police are killed by a criminal, they had never had any type of scenario occur to them in which a criminal did not immediately surrender, therefor they have never had to go through in their mind what would i do if the criminal does not surrender but attacks me instead. when they meet up with a criminal that attacks them instead of giving up they get killed.
On June 22, 2002 Deputy Richard Herzog was killed by a naked man when the deputy responded to a call regarding that naked man disrupting traffic in Newcastle, WA. During the scuffle that ensued as Herzog tried to subdue the suspect, the man took Herzog's sidearm away from him and killed him with it.

Every time I think about this incident, even now, the irresistible question that screams through my mind is, "WHERE WAS HIS BACKUP WEAPON??"

Answer: He didn't have one. As you said Alex, "One is none." And in this case, that's how much chance this officer had to survive once he lost control of his sidearm.

IMHO the motto of the Boy Scouts still applies and adaptability is still key in survival, whether on the streets or in the woods.
 
It's sad to see someone perish when just a few precautions would have saved him.

I've been a small town cop for 16 years. One day on the range, my 9mm had a double feed (two rounds trying to get into the chamber). The gun is useless at this point until you clear the rounds which usually requires stripping the magazine and racking the slide a couple of times-it takes precious time. This occured during a moving while shooting phase, they blow the whistle everytime they want you to fire. As soon as it happened, I knew it but the instructor yelling in my ear "double feed, double feed,what the f(*# are you gonna do now?!" helped and the guy blowing the whistle starts blowing it constantly to try to rattle me. I dropped the 9mm, whipped my backup gun off my ankle (.38 S&W Bodyguard) and finished the course. I did it without thinking (happily). All the guys were laughing, "how many more guns do you have" jokes abound but the instructor was happy and so was I. I only recently heard that one is none, two is one phrase but I like it.
 
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