I'm rapidly losing interest in USA Schrade collecting.

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Larry303

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Taylor has muddied the waters of Schrade collecting on so many levels and to such an extent I am now rapidly losing interest in "genuine" USA Schrade collecting. On a popular auction site here in Australia a current' Schrade' search reveals some 350 Schrades which includes 225 non Ellenville N.Y. pre- 2004..=. cobbled togethers, chinese mis- described. and Schrade Walden USA bone handled 'newer than new' folders in the tubes assembled in USA and never made in Walden or Ellenville N.Y. deceptively described by desperate greedy sellers....
If the country of Origin was clearly shown on the ""new"" Schrades on box's and Tang stampings, similar to how Pre-2004 production USA Schrades were,.. then 'would be 'novice collectors would at least have some chance of correctly identifying what they are buying...as it stands at the moment sellers easily hide Country of Origin in photos and usually avoid the Chinese issue in description by simply describing how Taylor has been making quality knives in USA since the 1970's and continues that tradition today with Schrade knives.......blah..blah....
Surely a knife "manufacturer" builds its reputation on what it is making today, and not on what it may have made in a past era in another Country.......so why not proudly state the facts if they are proud of their products...I am quite aware most brands like everything else is now made in China so why not clearly state it like other products do....to lessen the chance of deception by sellers?.......HooRoo
P.S. to those that say simply to me, get rid of all my USA Schrades then.....I am progressively..however there is now no level playing field.....Shame...however not even all the above can detract from a great decade of Schrade collecting...
 
Schrade USA went completely out of business a few years ago. The current maker bought the rights to the Schrade name and has no other connection with the original company. In such case, I don't see any reason to stop collecting Schrade USA knives if they appeal to you.
 
Im not a Schrade collector, but I was lucky enough to buy a PH2 and a couple big Uncle henrys in the 90's they were my first quality knives and I still use the PH2 during deer season.
 
It's true there isn't as much low hanging fruit these days, but such is the nature of collectible items. I too find the number of replica knives staggering, and a triibute to how popular the real ones are. Agreed some sellers do disgusting things to sell knives... I find the replicas equally unappealing. I still enjoy hunting down genuine Schrade and related knives despite a changing landscape. So far I feel 100% comfortable discerning between authentic and not authentic, and have never ended up with a single Taylor. I still find plenty of Schrades to admire out on that cut-throat marketplace scattered among the very knives Larry describes... listed out there to trip up the less observant bidders.
 
G'day Larry ,
I know where ya coming from and feel your pain , I too have been duped by these wankers therefore i tend to collect with what i am absolutley certain and from sellers i trust . I would hate to see you lose interest in what i feel is some of the best pocket knives ever produced,keep ya chin up mate , cheers , mark
 
Getting a good look at the tang stamp has always been a priority for me. That way I can be pretty sure about what I'm looking at. If it's not shown and the seller won't post a pic if asked, pass on that one.
 
Larry, that was hard to read and it's too bad you feel that way.

Here in the states the eBay auctions are perhaps less 'sneaky' compared to it's Aussie auction cousin. Most of the imports are advertised as "New" Schrade knives, and more often than not have a disclaimer; sellers really don't want to get negative feedback for false advertising or have to deal with refunds/returns. I've also noticed a downturn in the number of crappy, fuzzy, small pictures. Better picture taking is undoubtedly motivated by the desire to harvest higher bids and attract more upscale bidders, but is also likely a result of technical improvements in low-end digital cameras.

So far I feel 100% comfortable discerning between authentic and not authentic, and have never ended up with a single Taylor.
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Ditto here, although I only seek out Old Timer knives to collect and they're generally easy to distinguish.
 
As Bob said, that's hard to hear Larry. You have an awesome collection.

When I first started collecting Schrade I was influenced more by the bigger collectors who are going for one of everything. I thought "maybe I'll collect all the Uncle Henry's" or all the Old Timers or all of both. These lofty goals really are out of the range of my knife collecting budget though because I end up spending my coin more on limited editions and SFOs that have natural handle materials.

The bottom line for me is that even in these muddy Taylor-Schrade waters I know if I really like a knife and that's why I buy it. I now concentrate on "higher-end" Schrade's with stag, bone, sterling silver, jimping, engraving, gold etching etc. These top-line examples of Schrade craftsmanship stand the test of time and are tough for me to resist.

I'm with Calvin; I still love the pearls even if they are surrounded by pig sh*$.
 
Larry303 said:
Taylor has muddied the waters of Schrade collecting on so many levels and to such an extent I am now rapidly losing interest in "genuine" USA Schrade collecting. On a popular auction site here in Australia a current' Schrade' search reveals some 350 Schrades which includes 225 non Ellenville N.Y. pre- 2004..=. cobbled togethers, chinese mis- described. and Schrade Walden USA bone handled 'newer than new' folders in the tubes assembled in USA and never made in Walden or Ellenville N.Y. deceptively described by desperate greedy sellers....
If the country of Origin was clearly shown on the ""new"" Schrades on box's and Tang stampings, similar to how Pre-2004 production USA Schrades were,.. then 'would be 'novice collectors would at least have some chance of correctly identifying what they are buying...as it stands at the moment sellers easily hide Country of Origin in photos and usually avoid the Chinese issue in description by simply describing how Taylor has been making quality knives in USA since the 1970's and continues that tradition today with Schrade knives.......blah..blah....
Surely a knife "manufacturer" builds its reputation on what it is making today, and not on what it may have made in a past era in another Country.......so why not proudly state the facts if they are proud of their products...I am quite aware most brands like everything else is now made in China so why not clearly state it like other products do....to lessen the chance of deception by sellers?.......HooRoo
P.S. to those that say simply to me, get rid of all my USA Schrades then.....I am progressively..however there is now no level playing field.....Shame...however not even all the above can detract from a great decade of Schrade collecting...
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"I'm rapidly losing interest in USA Schrade collecting"

THAT IS GOOD NEWS LARRY, Please let me know when you start selling off your collection.
I will pay $50 each for your 2OTs to start with...(only if they are mint) Ken.
 
Hey Larry, don't let those bad apples spoil all the time and effort you've put into your collection. You find lowlifes like that in every aspect of collecting, of course in this case things are made easier for them by the marketing geniuses at Taylor. As unfair as it is to newbies and even old hands, weeding out the real deal from the fake is a part of the learning curve to becoming an expert, and we've all taken our lumps. Can you imagine what it's like out here for the folks who are looking for genuine Civil War items? Like finding a goldfish in a sea of carp. There are probably a thousand fakes for every geniune article.

Or you can just give in to the likes of Ken, can you picture him drowning in that pool of drool? :rolleyes::D:D


Eric
 
koldgold said:
"I'm rapidly losing interest in USA Schrade collecting"

THAT IS GOOD NEWS LARRY, Please let me know when you start selling off your collection.
I will pay $50 each for your 2OTs to start with...(only if they are mint) Ken.
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Ken, Larry loves me more than he loves you!:D
 
tongueriver said:
Ken, Larry loves me more than he loves you!:D
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Even if I offered Larry $55 for a 2OT he would not let me have one.
I also know Larry loves his Schrade knives more then his mates.
Hope you find some gold down there old mate Larry, keep your knive for you old age... Ken
 
Plagiarized:
~Gold is for the Mistress - Silver for the maid~
~Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade.~
~Good! said the Baron, sitting in his hall,~
~But Iron - Cold Iron - is master of them all.~
 
LOL...Cal the guy who wrote that had obviously never bought a Chinese made Stainless Steel knife and put it in a salt water environment in his fishing kreel...I have, and it aint pretty.....the Chinese get our good Aussie steel and do something 'special' with it....real 'special'..IMO.
P.S. Now you also know what I do with my excess gold nuggets!?!......nourishment not punishment we need at our ages..eh?......Hoo Roo from the Land Downunder.....
 
Larry you can't quit now---It would be like the only teacher you had walking out in the middle of the school year.--LOL. Hang in there--THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
Harold
 
Larry -no offence mate -i certainly respect your feelings and can understand and sypmathise with you.
But MATE-stop acting like a wounded buffalo- the vultures are already circling.
I think you are the foremost authority on Schrade in this country.
As our Roman ancestors might have said
"nil carborundum bastardos"-
cheers.
 
"Behind his special direct-line White House telephone [Charles E. Wilson] propped a framed motto which read "Nulle Bastardo Carborundum"--assembly-line La*in for "Don't let the bastards wear you down."
I got a D in Latin and that was only cause the teacher thought I was trying. ... So I just had to go look it up :-)
 
I've only been collecting genuine Schrades for a little more than a year. When I search for them on ebay I always use the terms (Schrade USA) to filter out the commie crap. It is upsetting to see so much garbage being sold under the Schrade name but it's also funny to me that some people actually buy those awful knives. It takes all kinds to make a world and sometimes that's not a good thing.
 
Hi Old Mate Larry I understand how your feeling,
You only need to look at all those Sharp Fingers that have just come on to the market – New in the box, no papers and pick your own handles $30 each.
Then there is the Schrade D’holders, “ Schrade only made 500 of them” that have not been stamped with a number “No box or paper work”.
Taylor could have had better knives made in China - the low price they sell for is a good indication of their poor quality.

I will give you a ring if I can find your mobile number, or you could email me when you have time to talk… Ken
 
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