Im running for President again

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This time, I think we should all try and figure out what we want.

I am an Independent type person and I believe strongly in the constitution and the Bill of Rights.

so come on and tell me, what should our platform be ?


Here are some of my ideas, in no particular order:

Pass "None of your damned business" law that would allow any two humans of legal age to be married.

repeal switchblade law

Close off all borders and make actual points of immigration bigger and better
(this is not to keep people out, it's to minimize illegal activities)

Increase the size of the DEA

Anti- USAPS and Disclosure taskforce to get Alien technology available to the public
 
Give every man, woman, and child their choice of a free O3, M1 Garrand, or SKS. Have several free beer days declared.

close the borders and reward those people who applied for citizenship the right way with a stream lined process.

End the war on drugs.

End all Capital gains taxation.

End inheritance taxation- those after death taxes on estates one already owns free and clear after paying tax money to obtain in the first place.

Allow civil unions but keep marriage defined as between a man and a woman.
Allow reasonable public intereaction with religious groups and charitable causes that are general and non specific as to diety or requirements for any particular sect.

Implement half of new policy based upon the diametric opposition to whatever hair brained Left position Hollow has.

Find a way to make drug research fair to both consumer and profitable to private enterprize; US companies today do the brunt of the work and the rest of the worlds reaps the benefits from our expenditures.


Keep the Right to Bear Arms as an individual right and say so.
Establish semi auto high cap as the high water mark and leave it at that.

Legalize prostitution. Keep crimes against children defined and clear.

Do not tax the Internet.
Pull out of the UN, or at the very least, kick them out of New York.

If neccesary, succeed from NY and Ca. Let them fend for themselves.

Push the investigation of the food for oil program with full disclosure of Germany, France, Russia, and China.

Reward all nations who stood with us in Afganistan, and triple reward those who stood in Iraq.

Remove Kennedy from office; ditto Shumur, Boxer, Pelosi, Bird; etc etc.

Push the Senate to revise procedural rules so the Democrats can no longer block conservative appointements to the US Supreme Court.

End the NEA programs and PBS. Let Europe pay for this socialist new age garbage.

Pull out of Europe. Let FRance defend it's border.

Continue to support the establishment of democracy in war torn Africa, seeking stabilization of governments.

Begin Tort reform.

Find a way to keep competition in the medical field alive.

munk
 
It's an ambitious Presidental platforum. FN and HK's probably cost too much. But maybe so. With the saving from not fighting the WOD, we might be able to issue everyone an AR.


Here's three more:
Drill off the coast of Calif, and if they whine about it, cut off the supply of oil, or at the very least, put in an extra platform for every extra whine. Drill in Anwar, and put in the wind machines off Martha's Vineyard coast the Elite refuse.

End useless enviornmental restrictions and implement reasonable protection and use of materials.

Understand that people are going to need places to live and at some point, open up BLM land for this.

munk
 
Lower drinking age to 18 and make a DUI punishable by 1 year prison + a fine + 1 year suspended license (implimented after prison sentance carried out).

Enforce restraining orders.

Create an agency that keeps a watchful eye on organizations that overstep their bounds (PETA).
 
PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals...a fine organization I would think.
 
If we're going to enforce restraining orders, let's for God's sake stop issuing them at the drop of a hat. Anyone can have one issued against another on the flimsiest of reasons, and then Constitutional rights of the other are limited until it is cleared up, if it ever is cleared up.



munk
 
Along with the restaining order idea. No frivilous lawsuits.

Stop wasting the courts time with your own mistakes that you want to blame somone else for.
 
Enough of this nonsense!

Let's get right down to it and make the richest man King. Give him six months to get things straightened out. If he fails, chop off his head, the heads of all his family, and everyone he knows. Take all their assets and put it in the Treasury. Then go to the next richest guy and do the same thing.

Keep on doing that until we get to you and me then we declare Liberty and Justice for all, divide up the Treasury, and take the money and run.
 
Ben Arown-Awile said:
Enough of this nonsense!

Let's get right down to it and make the richest man King. Give him six months to get things straightened out. If he fails, chop off his head, the heads of all his family, and everyone he knows. Take all their assets and put it in the Treasury. Then go to the next richest guy and do the same thing.

Keep on doing that until we get to you and me then we declare Liberty and Justice for all, divide up the Treasury, and take the money and run.

OMG! You want Bill in charge??!!! :eek: In six months, he'll have everyone "programed." "Thank you. Bing, bing, bing."
 
I was going to crack some jokes here until I noticed that this is developing into a quasi-serious thread about political philosophy.

Right off the top of my head: abolish executive orders.
 
Thomas Linton said:
OMG! You want Bill in charge??!!! :eek: In six months, he'll have everyone "programed." "Thank you. Bing, bing, bing."
No, no: you're thinking of security patches. That's not the same as getting things straightened out. Bill hasn't even gotten .bat files to work right in all these years. His (along with the Sultan of Brunei's) head will be bouncing down the aisle inside of 12 months.

Ben, you talk about 'taking the money and running'. By the time they get to you and me, there won't be anyone poorer to run from.
 
Aardvark said:
...By the time they get to you and me, there won't be anyone poorer to run from...
I never had to run from anyone poorer than I am. But I have spent a good part of my life evading those who were a richer than me but who wanted to make me poorer.
 
Enforce Common Curiously with an iron fist Hammurabi style.

1.) Those that drive 5 miles under the speed limit in the fast lane shall be dragged across broken glass by a yak for 5 miles on his/her bare back….for real, dude, move it!

2.) Anyone that cannot figure out the concept of using their d@mn turn signals while driving to let others where in the heck they are going shall have the eye corresponding to the infraction put out with a hot poker…. Seriously, you get two chances then it’s brail bus pass time.

3.) Any man that clearly sees that a person with arms full of groceries/elderly person/lady of any type is struggling with a door shall open that door for them lest he wishes to be hobbled ala Stephen King’s “Misery”. No crap will be taken about “It’s my right not to help people.” Etc. Opening a door is not hard and it offers a chance for good exercise and fresh air…just do it you mook.
3a.)*subsection* If the struggler with the door happens to be an attractive female between the ages of 18 and 55, then the offending male will be de-panted in front of her for retribution and to give her something to chuckle at.

4.) One the same lines as rule #3, Any woman that of her own free will wears reveling clothing to a bar, restaurant, or other place of social gathering may in no way shape or form throw a tizzy fit because a man is staring at her half-hanging-out flesh lest she wishes to dress in public in only a burke for one year.... If you wear skimpy stuff, guys are gonna stare. That’s why you wore it to begin with.
4a.) *subsection* Men must still mind their manners. He may look, but must not touch lest the lady being touched shall be permitted to haul off and smack the bejezus out of him, THEN turn him over to his wife or girlfriend of more than 2 months. They will then be granted access to the yak, glass, and hot poker from rules one and two…how they use them is at their discretion.


There aren’t perfect, but they’re a start.
 
ETHIC OF RECIPROCITY



Quotation:
"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama



Overview
Religious groups differ greatly in their concepts of deity, other beliefs and practices. Non-theistic ethical and philosophic systems, like Humanism and Ethical Culture, also exhibit a wide range of beliefs. But there is near unanimity of opinion among almost all religions, ethical systems and philosophies that each person should treat others in a decent manner. Almost all of these groups have passages in their holy texts, or writings of their leaders, which promote this Ethic of Reciprocity. The most commonly known version in North America is the Golden Rule of Christianity. It is often expressed as "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you."

One result of this Ethic is the concept that every person shares certain inherent human rights, simply because of their membership in the human race. People are individually very different; they come in two main genders; different sizes, colors, and shapes; many races; three sexual orientations; and different degrees of ability. They follow many religious and economic systems, speak many languages, and follow many different cultures. But there is a growing consensus that all are equal in importance. All should enjoy basic human rights. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is one manifestation of this growing worldwide consensus. 3,4

The greatest failure of organized religion is its historical inability to convince their followers that the Ethic of Reciprocity applies to all humans, including those of other religions, the other gender, other races, other sexual orientations, etc. Only when this is accomplished will religiously-related oppression, mass murder and genocide cease.



Some "Ethic of Reciprocity" passages from the religious texts of various religions and secular beliefs:
Bahá'í World Faith: "Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah
"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf

Brahmanism: "This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517
Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18

Christianity: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version.
"...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6.

Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23
"Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3
"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4

Ancient Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 9

Hinduism: "One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself." Mencius Vii.A.4
"This is the sum of the Dharma [duty]: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you." Mahabharata 5:1517

Humanism: "(5) Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity."
"(11) Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. " 5
"Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society. 9

Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 6
Jainism: "Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2.
"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara
"A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Judaism: "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18
"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
"And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 8

Native American Spirituality: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace.
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk

Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."
Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form"
Sikhism: Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib
"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259
"No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299

Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.
Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien.
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49

Unitarian: "We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles.
Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede
Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."
Zoroastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5
"Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29

Care is needed in applying the Golden Rule:
Any rule must be applied carefully, and with full knowledge of the likely consequences. Many of the above "golden rules" imply that there is some absolute standard on what is beneficial and what is harmful. Consider:
George Bernard Shaw, (1903): "Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same."
A lot of harm has been done historically, in the name of helping other people. Some examples:

Many individuals involved in the torture and murder of Witches during the late Middle Ages and Renaissance felt that their mission was to help the Witches, and to defend the rest of society. The Witches were tortured until they gave the interrogators what they wanted: a confession in which they renounced their beliefs. They were then executed before they recanted. The church felt that they might then attain Heaven. If they retained their beliefs in Witchcraft, it was believed that they would inevitably be sent to Hell for endless torture. Thus, any amount of torture was justified. It only lasted a few days and saved the Witch from an eternity of similar treatment in Hell.
In past centuries Christian missionaries, both Protestant and Catholic, invested enormous effort to convert North America's Native population to Christianity. The missionaries generally discounted Native Spirituality as worthless. Many thought that unless a person accepts their European version of Christianity, they would spend eternity in Hell. But the results were not as anticipated. Some suicidologists believe that the extremely high suicide rate among native people in North America is a direct result of the destruction of their aboriginal faith and other aspects of their society by Christian groups.
Welfare and other social programs that were originally designed to help the poor, can sometimes backfire and entrap the very people they intended to help into a lifetime of dependency.
Many states have passed laws that require teen age women to notify their parents or obtain permission from their parents before they are allowed to have an abortion. The legislators reasoned that when a young woman is pregnant, that she needs all the support that her family can give her. But many teens try to circumvent these laws. They may be afraid of the family disturbance that the news might cause; they may fear physical abuse; they may be concerned about the effect that the news might have on a parent who is in fragile health. For whatever reason, many seek illegal abortions. Some die from infection.

Before applying the golden rule, we should take care that we are really helping people, and not harming them. This often requires more wisdom than is readily available.



Failures of the Ethic of Reciprocity
Many individuals are primarily concerned with their own well being, and that of their family and "tribe." Some are able to apply the ethic of reciprocity only to their immediate friends and relatives. Somehow, people who are close to us are seen as more "equal" than strangers.

Some individuals are able to extend the Ethic to all fellow believers who share their religion. Some find it difficult to extend the Ethic to followers of other religions and ultimately to all human beings. The large number of religiously-based civil disturbances and wars currently active in the world is evidence of this failing.



Passages that violate the Ethic of Reciprocity:
Unfortunately, many religious texts contain other passages that contradict their own Ethics of Reciprocity. For example, consider the Christian Bible. It contains sections which promote both religious tolerance and religious intolerance. In places, it advocates genocide against other tribes, extermination of people of other religions, and murder of individuals with minority sexual orientations. It condones slavery and, in many places, promotes an inferior status for women.


(From Religious Tolerance dot org.)
 
decreasing national debt would be a really good idea too......

Dang tired of people spending money they don't have, I don't do that
why the heck should a country.....that is unless I could get a constitutional amendment that I could spend as much as I wanted without paying it back.

On second thought, look at what happened to Louis the 16th, bad idea.....
 
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