I'm throwing in the towel...

Fletcher Knives

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The bow legged chopper can't have a decent kydex sheath. I'll explain. I went through three molds last night trying to find one that worked.

The first was a standard sandwich, two pieces of kydex, one molded to each side of the blade. When I got it molded perfectly, I set the eyelets. Now I did take into account that the tip of the blade is much wider that the top, so I space the eyelets far enough away to accomidate it. The knife came out of the sheath with waaay too much drag. Then I looked at it and thought, "this sheath is damn near 5 inches wide." Plus, there is no way to get the knife back in the sheath once it's out. The shape of the tip prevents it. So I cut that sheath in half, threw it in the trash, and started over.

The second sheath I decided to do as a fold over to cut down on the width. Great idea. Molded like a champ. Somehow I forgot in the process, that it still wouldn't fix the problem of the tip of the blade not being able to be inserted into the sheath. See, with most standard shaped tips, the point goes into the sheath and as you slide the blade it, it spreads naturally. With this knife, the point isn't a point at all. It's a long blunt side. It does come at an angle, but unfortunately, the angle goes in the wrong direction. With the way the kydex molds, the point where the blade first comes in contact with the sheath upon sheathing, it's pretty much just flat and there's no opening. I thought, "well maybe I can flare it a little to get the desired effect." NOPE. Even with a flared opening, the blade tries to go the wrong way when you start to push it into the sheath. So, I cut that one in half and threw it in the trash.

Next came a vision. The whole problem was that the sheath was molded to the blade. Since the blade was shaped crazy, why not just mold it as though the blade was unifrom from tip to hilt? I got out a piece of 1/4 inch pine, traced the blade shape, drew staright parallel lines, cut it with the scroll saw, and got to molding. Terrific! Now how the hell do I get the knife to stay in the sheath since now it has no retention what so ever? How about a retention snap strap. Great idea other than it looks like crap and the knife still wiggles around toward the handle in the sheath. Frustrated, yet again, I cut that bastard in half and threw it in the trash. I got on the internet and started looking for inspiration. There's only one sheath style i can see being able to be molded with kydex and actually working.
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Unfortunately, it looks the sh!t and wouldn't work worth a damn in a baldric rig. After thinking about how I would feel if that sheath came with my brand new $350 knife. I decided not to waste another piece of kydex.

So in conclusion, a kydex sheath will not be a good choice for this knife. I'm going to have to recomend a leather sheath where the opening for the blade is nice and uniform like a kuhkri sheath with a retention strap. It took a lot of alcohol last night to wash away the frustration. Now that I'm writing this, it's all coming flooding back.

Andy, gimme a call when you get a chance. I can bring this big f@#$er back out to you tonight.

Sorry I couldn't make this thing work. I feel an overwelming sense of defeat. I wanted this thing to have a seriously kick ass sheath and it just wouldn't work.
 
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On a side note, I was taking pictures of the process with the first sheath I made. I was hoping to have a nice pictorial to show when it was finished. After the first sheath, I stopped taking pictures because i was too pissed off. If anyone wants to see the pictures from the first sheath, lemme know and I'll post them.
 
Man, I'm sorry to hear that this turned out to be such a pain for you and, ultimately, a waste of your time/kydex. Out of curiousity, have you looked at some of the kydex sheaths for semi unusual blade shapes such as the Koster WSK or his "quick-draw" Monster Nessie kydex sheath? I understand your frustration, but it seems like there should be a workable solution. Of course, that is the engineer (with zero kydex experience) in me talking.
 
Have you seen the sheaths some of the Busse guys have been doing for the "Killa Zilla" test model? Dave Brown has been doing some awesome work on those that might be of interest to you. He uses an open-back design with rubber retention straps that look good and work great for some of the bigger Busse knives.

Edit: here's some linkage:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=659082

Maybe this could help?
 
Man, I'm sorry to hear that this turned out to be such a pain for you and, ultimately, a waste of your time/kydex. Out of curiousity, have you looked at some of the kydex sheaths for semi unusual blade shapes such as the Koster WSK or his "quick-draw" Monster Nessie kydex sheath? I understand your frustration, but it seems like there should be a workable solution. Of course, that is the engineer (with zero kydex experience) in me talking.

The one thing that makes Dans knives easier to get in the kydex sheath is that tip shape. All of his, even the blades that are shaped all wacky, still have the standard tip shape that makes inserting them into the sheath easy. I thought about it, but it still just wouldn't work well.
 
Have you seen the sheaths some of the Busse guys have been doing for the "Killa Zilla" test model? Dave Brown has been doing some awesome work on those that might be of interest to you. He uses an open-back design with rubber retention straps that look good and work great for some of the bigger Busse knives.

Edit: here's some linkage:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=659082

Maybe this could help?

Yep. checked 'em out. The tip shape is still the issue.
 
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I use a white fabric marking pencil to do my measuring and drawing. It comes right off the kydex when you're done... sometimes a little before which can be a pain.
 
Cutting the kydex. Basically I just score it a couple of times with a good sharp blade and then bend it. Works perfect.
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Showing how handy the fabric pencil is and how easy it comes off.

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Getting ready to go in the oven for the basic mold. Oven is set at 240F and it only takes about 5 minutes. If you wanted to try to pull a final mold in one shot, you could heat it a little more and then put it in the press. I like to get a basic mold and then do a final mold a section at a time with a heat gun.

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As you can see, my kydex press is very sofisticated. It's a couple of pieces of wood, some pieces of camping foam pad, and four clamps.

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At this point, i have the basic mold. Now it's time to heat and reshape a little at a time to ensure a perfect mold. Some of it I just do by hand to really get into the grooves.

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This is where the pictures stop. At this point, I've taken the mold and everything downstairs to the garage for eyelet setting and cutting, then came the pissed offedness.
 
Dylside, it's doable without an open back. just needs a litte set up. I'll PM you in a bit with directions.
 
I love the fact that you tried so many ways, bro. I hope Kiah can help you out, collaboration is a good thing!
 
PM sent. Hope it helps. Any questions, just ask. It's a lot easier than I made it out to be, I just tend to ramble.
 
I love the fact that you tried so many ways, bro. I hope Kiah can help you out, collaboration is a good thing!

+1 on that. That is what I love so much about BF, so many people willing to help out others. So much sharing amongst what would traditionally (or in other industries) be considered competitors.
 
+1 on that. That is what I love so much about BF, so many people willing to help out others. So much sharing amongst what would traditionally (or in other industries) be considered competitors.

Indeed. This is a great place.


Ok. Back to the sheath. I talked to Andy for a minute, and given the nature of this thing, I'm going to make an open back proto and take it over to Andy's for us to test out. Worse case scenerio, everyone gets leather instead, so no loss there. ;) I'll bust it out tonight and see how it turns out.
 
Hey Dylan, don't let this project turn you all angry bro. I can do some leather for it. I'm going to have Tal and JRE do leather also. Sounds like you're going through kydex like water bro. Have a home brew, and bring her home. I have something for your trouble.
 
Hey Dylan, don't let this project turn you all angry bro. I can do some leather for it. I'm going to have Tal and JRE do leather also. Sounds like you're going through kydex like water bro. Have a home brew, and bring her home. I have something for your trouble.

I'm doing one open back to see if it'll work. If that one doesn't work out, then it's all leather! I've already got everything cut and eyeletted Just got to do some finishing on it and see how it works. It'll get done as soon as I get home from work. No matter what happens, it'll go home this weekend.
 
I hope this works out Dylside. I'm sure it's frustrating, but with any success on this you'll feel a thousand pounds lighter. Glad you're still keeping the chin up. So post some more pics when you can please.
 
Sooooo? What happened Mr Fletcher?


I did enjoy reading through this old thread
 
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