Image posting rules

Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

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I was questioned about the rule that says you can't post attachments or host images for non-paying members. Here is the rules from Spark's board:
Image Rules

Don't leech images
Keep images work safe in the general forums
Don't break the tables or image spam.
Don't use your sig space maliciously
Don't host images / attachments for non-paying members
Avatars need to be work safe


This is from Spark. I don't see any gray area.

I know it seems harmless and friendly, but posting images on the forum is a privilege of a paying member. If it is done by you for a non-paying member, you are helping someone cheat the system.

This is just another long ignored rule that I am going to try and get back on track.
 
"Don't leech images"
"Don't break the tables"

I'm not entirely sure what these terms mean... Last time I broke a table I was leaning on it too hard...
 
Id reword that

Don't host images / attachments ( applies to non-paying members )

The other way sounds like we arnt allowed to host a pic for them.
 
bladsmth said:
I was questioned about the rule that says you can't post attachments or host images for non-paying members. Here is the rules from Spark's board:
Image Rules

Don't leech images
Keep images work safe in the general forums
Don't break the tables or image spam.
Don't use your sig space maliciously
Don't host images / attachments for non-paying members
Avatars need to be work safe


This is from Spark. I don't see any gray area.

I know it seems harmless and friendly, but posting images on the forum is a privilege of a paying member. If it is done by you for a non-paying member, you are helping someone cheat the system.

This is just another long ignored rule that I am going to try and get back on track.
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Stacy, it's okay for our members to assist other members with hosting or posting images as long as doing so does not use bladeforums.com as the host.
In other words, any other third party hosting service would be fine since it does not circumvent the privileges associated with paid membership on this site.

I hope that helps make the intent clearer in case it was a bit ambiguous.
 
Clarify everything other than the statement in red. Give it to me in non internet terms, actually for all of us who are not computer hip.

Fred
 
Fred.Rowe said:
Clarify everything other than the statement in red. Give it to me in non internet terms, actually for all of us who are not computer hip.

Fred
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Don't feel bad. I've been on the Internet since something like 1980 and I don't know what "leeching images" means.
 
Dan Pierson said:
Don't feel bad. I've been on the Internet since something like 1980 and I don't know what "leeching images" means.
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I have a 29 year old techy son that lives at home and I know things about computers that I don't want to know. I multi task, for Gods sake; I have two facebook accounts, two websites and three e-mail addresses and I still don't know what leeching is. I feel unsure of my self and would rather not go to bed without knowing what I don't understand.
 
So since I am only a "registered user" I can not post images? I often do using photobucket. Is this not allowed?
 
I'm going to try to clarify this 'hosting' question.
The wording and terminology is quite clear, if you understand a few basics:

1) the images displayed in forum posts must be stored on a server somewhere on on the internet in order to be loaded by your browser. This incurs a cost to whomever ultimately pays for the hardware and network usage to that server (host).

2) images are loaded by your browser based on a tag embedded in the web page itself which indicates the server and the ultimate address of the image file

3) a file, image, text, or otherwise, is said to be 'hosted' by the server on which it resides.

4) a bladeforums 'post' is some text (what you write, plus some meta-data) that lives on the bladeforums servers. The image references in the text of a post point to addresses which may be on bladeforums servers, or on OTHER servers, such as photobucket, smugmug, picassa, etc.

5) a page itself is constructed by concatenating (gluing together in order) a header, a bunch of these text posts, and a footer. the posts contain internet addresses of images in the form of a URL which is interpreted by your browser as an instruction to fetch and display the image at that address

6) hosting the actual image files on the bladeforums servers is a privilege of paid membership because it incurs actual hardware and bandwidth costs to the site itself.

please some mod correct me if this is inaccurate.

-Daizee
 
JW Knives said:
So since I am only a "registered user" I can not post images? I often do using photobucket. Is this not allowed?
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You're fine. Registered users can post images hosted outside of BFC (you don't get the option to attach) and as Elliot said any member can host an image for any other member as long is it's not uploaded via the BFC attachment form (hence it's hosted elsewhere).
 
This is what I was wondering. The last two posts really cleared it up for me. Hotlinking images from outside sources is OK for non-paying members; storage or hosting of pics by Bladeforums is for members only.
 
I would imagine it means don't copy somebody else's pictures and
a) take credit for the work
-or-
b) use the photo for your gain (i.e. using a Bruce Bump knife pic as the background for your website without permission and/or giving credit where it's due).

Then again, I'm wicked tired right now and find myself rambling, so maybe I'm miles away on this one! ;)

Dan Pierson said:
Don't feel bad. I've been on the Internet since something like 1980 and I don't know what "leeching images" means.
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As far as work safe avatars, I wonder if that means...if someone had one of your posts open on a computer at work if your avatar was too lewd, vulgar or violent it might not be "work safe"?
 
I believe that is in deed what it means. There are *ahem* other knife forum sites that I definitely would not look at while at work (heck, sometimes I have to close the page when I'm at home!)...
 
Leaching is using a photo on another site ( usually without permission). Say I want to show a photo of Bruce Bump's knife. It is OK to post a link to the page on his web site showing his knife, but if I attach just the photo, using some sort of screen capture or link, that is stealing his photo....called leaching. In some cases, involving copyright, it is illegal.

If you read what Blues posted, you will see that HOSTING photos for a non paying member, using Bladeforums is not allowed.
The interpretation of the rule seems to be getting mixed up between linking and hosting. Anyone can link to a photo hosted on another server, like photobucket. What the rule is about is someone saying, " Send me an email with the photo and I'll post it for you". Then the person makes a post and puts the photo in as an attachment. If you are hitting the "Manage Attachments" tab, you are violating the rule. If you are linking the photo from your web page or photobucket, it isn't a violation.
It would be better to send the link to the OP and tell him/her how to make the link on his post, though.

To state it in very simple terms:
If it gets stored on the BF server and the photo is being posted for a non-paying member, you are violating the rules.

 
Nathan the Machinist said:
"Don't break the tables"
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"Breaking the tables" just means posting an image that is so huge that you need to scroll right and left to see the entire width of it. Generally images uploaded through BF just get thumbnailed, but breaking tables can occur when you insert an image through a third party host, so the full image size loads in the thread.
 
Can newbies, registered only(non-paying), post in the trade forum? If so is it considered OK to offer to send photo by email?
 
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