Imperial Knife case from 1960s

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copdoc2008

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Thought you guys might like to see this. Sorry they pics are dark. Dad got this for me to keep my knives in when I was a kid. I put the Boker case in also.

If anyone wants numbers, prices or a better pic let me know. I left the stickers on it including the Gibson's sales stickers over the retail price.

Does does anone have a pic of the Kit Carson Trail knife? I can't remember what it looks like.

Imperial case

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Boker case

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Codger_64 said:
I'd love to have one of these old floor cases, but then I would have to fill it! :o
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From the looks of your posts you would have no problem filling it up. I wish I had a pic of the case full. Hey if each of you send me one of the knives I'll fill them up and post pictures. LOL Well it doesn't hurt to ask.

That's the Kit Carson. Now I remember. I wanted it but as you can see it was a bit over $5 and retail was a whopping $6.95. More than a Garand bayonet and about the same as a WWII carbine bayonet.

One of the display knives in the Boker case was bought for me for a birthday present. It was the last one left. (sorry they are Bokers and this is the wrong place)
 
CopDoc2008,
Is there a number on the display lower right corner..
I might have a picture of it...
TTYL
Larry
 
Hi Irv

I just looked and don't see a number in the lower right hand corner. Is there anywhere else to look? This is on the back.

Again sorry for the poor lighting in that room. I used to have white umbrellas and gray cards for photography but now just do snapshots. LOL

I'll get some better pics if anyone wants. It was late

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Anyone got a patent # on Vapor Gard?? ;)

Which was the most expensive Imperial on the board??

Cool display

You should try and fill it up a little at a time!!!:eek:
 
Schrade made some knives for Boker. And Boker bought the George Schrade company from his heirs, explaining the sightings of Geo. Schrade Schradebrand and Stagbrand knives with the Boker Treebrand blade etch.
 
Codger_64 said:
Schrade made some knives for Boker. And Boker bought the George Schrade company from his heirs, explaining the sightings of Geo. Schrade Schradebrand and Stagbrand knives with the Boker Treebrand blade etch.
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I knew there was some connection. I posted this question on the Boker forum and the mod moved it to Bernard's ID forum. Bernard had seen Schrades made like this but not a Boker. Do you mind taking a look also? Is this a Schrade made Boker? I have had it since the 60s and it was used when I got it.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=588781

[/QUOTE]Which was the most expensive Imperial on the board??[/QUOTE]

The Kit Carson at $6.95, the next most expensive at $5.50 the 353DE stainless
 
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copdoc2008 said:
Can anyone give an appoximate date on the manufacture of this Boker USA knife with the spring cover on the back? Sorry about the poor lighting. I posted it in the Boker section and nobody knew. Trent responded by email that it might be 40s or 50s.

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That is called a "closed back," the whole handle frame made from a single folded piece of sheet metal.

I suspect that frame was made on the same machinery used to make George Schrade brand all metal knives -- Boker made those 1956-58.

I have never seen a Boker like this before. But I have seen lots of the G. Schrades.

BRL...
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I believe he is correct, 1956-1958 is when Boker U.S.A. owned and operated the George Schrade Knife Company in Bridgeport, Connecticut. That company was seperate and distinct from the Schrade Cutlery Company owned by the other Schrade brothers, though George was also one of it's founders in 1904. George had left the Schrade Cutlery Company of Walden, New York early on, founding his own company in 1929.

Schrade Walden did later make knives for Boker U.S.A., but this, as Mr. Levine said, is most likely a George Schrade knife. Primary sources for George Schrade knife patterns are rare, but I suspect that Boker was a customer for some time before deciding to buy the company in 1956. And this is likely made in that factory for or by Boker on the George Schrade pattern. Boker closed the George Schrade plant after Congress banned switchblades in 1958.

Baer's Schrade Walden did later make knives for Boker, but this is not one of their patterns.

Michael
 
Codger_64 said:
I believe he is correct, 1956-1958 is when Boker U.S.A. owned and operated the George Schrade Knife Company in Bridgeport, Connecticut. That company was seperate and distinct from the Schrade Cutlery Company owned by the other Schrade brothers, though George was also one of it's founders in 1904. George had left the Schrade Cutlery Company of Walden, New York early on, founding his own company in 1929.

Schrade Walden did later make knives for Boker U.S.A., but this, as Mr. Levine said, is most likely a George Schrade knife. Primary sources for George Schrade knife patterns are rare, but I suspect that Boker was a customer for some time before deciding to buy the company in 1956. And this is likely made in that factory for or by Boker on the George Schrade pattern. Boker closed the George Schrade plant after Congress banned switchblades in 1958.

Baer's Schrade Walden did later make knives for Boker, but this is not one of their patterns.

Michael
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Thanks

I had forgotten that the George Schrade company was not the Schrade Cutlery Co even thought George helped start it. So Boker "married" in the family twice, buying Geo Schrade and later selling "Boker" knives made by Schrade Walden? The family tree has a lot of branches.

How do you tell which Bokers were made by Schrade Walden (stamps, pattern numbers etc)?

Was this in the 60s?

I have not read the history Schrade/Imperial since the first year of Mr Levin'e first edition. I will get the last edition and read this again. Seem like there cold be a book just on Schrade companies.
 
Seem like there could be a book just on Schrade companies.
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Bruce Voyles has been working on one for some time now and many of us are looking forward to it's publication.

I am also working on one myself, but publication is a ways off as new information is constantly popping up, even as I try to digest what is currently available.

Like Mr. Voyles, I would like for my book to be as complete and correct as possible the first time.

As an accomplished published cutlery author, I expect good things from his upcoming book and advise Schrade collectors to get a copy as soon as it appears on the market.

Michael
 
Michael, look at the previously' not well known' Schrade info we have all unearthed even in the last 18 months...even ""experts"" have been shown to still be in learning pattern rather than teaching pattern.....and even in denial pattern....Look at the Imperial Mexico Venture we unearthed for example..I bet a book produced 12 months ago would not even have touched on the subject and we now know they produced at least 25 patterns with their own stampings and what brought about the manufacturing demise but possibly gave the necessary moulding know how to Imperial Rhode Island to continue with.
Is it unrealistic in this age to write an all encompassing book in the traditional sense which can really only be a snapshot of the picture at the time of publication.
Why cant an interactive loose leaf "book" similar to Robert Clement's be produced with purchasers able to download and add or replace pages as new info unfolds...I have 3 large folders of brochures,folders,price lists, photos, and photostats of all paperwork bling that came with each knife, and practically everything useful gleaned and downloaded from this site over past 3 years..similar to a lot of us Schradeites I guess...and I am aware far less than you possess.
I believe the "books" will keep being put off for fear of never being complete or being out of date at release or being proved inaccurate as new info emerges.
The actual History of Schrade is unlikely to change and could form the first basis of the 'book' so it gets out there and then you can continue to produce data for downloading to your desciples.You always display credibility,accuracy,honesty,a yearning for the technical knowledge and patents and you are not driven to make money or serve any other master....exactly the same traits displayed by Larry Vickery I might add....so do you believe this has any merit..so I for one may see a ""book"" before I die? It can be 'The Never Ending Story'... of Schrade, or has that title already been used..we dont hear or see a lot out here in the Colony's...

P.S. I have a well written book 'American Knives The First History and Collectors Guide' by Harold L Peterson circa 1958....it is amazing to read it in the light of knowledge now known 50 years later however it remains a great reference source in the traditional sense but things like the events surrounding Jim Bowie have been proven to be inaccurate to what was known in 1958. Hoo Roo
 
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Larry303:thumbup: Very eloquently stated!!! ;)

That has been my sentiments but what do I know, as a relatively newbie Here your words seem pretty dead on to me. I personally think that it will be near impossible to get ALL the INFO. correct at ANY given time as so much will continue to unfold for probably EVER could be wrong unless some miracle happens.:p



I am very appreciative of all done on this front and have learned a ton in the last 9 months BUT got a WHOLE lot more to go!:o

Thanks again Michael,Larry V, and all others that continue to post here!:thumbup:

Shawn
 
G'Day Shawn, I for one <and I would imagine many more> would happily pay a yearly subscription after purchasing the basic Schrade 'book' with the right to download history/photos/info as its produced or updated. I would have thought if actively promoted in U.S.,Australia, U.K. etc it would be sustainable commercially. Michael could solicit contributions from readers as fresh information emerges and update.There is still a huge potential genuine Schrade collector base here in Oz...but so many have been duped on Ebay by sellers selling Chinese Schrade ""Correctables"" they are wary... Knowledge is what they all want.......Michael could even do a section on how to tell the difference between pre and post 2004 Schrade productions..i.e. how to identify Schitaylors from the Real Deal.....something other "books" may not be in a position to do.........
What do other Forum members feel?? Hoo Roo
 
:thumbup: Larry303 as far as I'm concerned your dead on KNOWLEDGE is POWER and we all need all we can get to fight the CIRADES:barf::grumpy: off! The upgradeable book is a great idea and allows SOMEONE (Codger):Dto possibly have a $ influx as time passes? and more info. is gleaned on the said subjects.:thumbup:




BTW I,d be in/am in when the time comes!

Shawn
 
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Copdoc2008,

Like the boards. It would be a fun thing to tackle trying to fill it.

Love them vintage knives.


Michael,

Love the Trailblazer. Is it a 148?


Here's an old Boker I can share. Don't know age for sure been told three different periods.

H Boker & Co 900 Hunting Knife
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Jackie
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