Imperial Schrade Closed?

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Ellenville – By 9:15 a.m., it was all over. A hundred years of history, at least 260 jobs.
They came streaming out the front door of Imperial Schrade Corp. Some were sobbing. Others embraced. Some walked in circles with their hands on their ears as if they'd been stunned. They were talking into cell phones, spreading the bad news.
They all clutched what amounted to their walking papers, a one-page letter from Schrade President Walter A. Gardiner that began "We regret to advise you … ."
With those words, at least 260 people, many of whom had worked at the knife manufacturing plant for 10, 20 and even 30 years, were shown the door yesterday by a once-proud, family-friendly company whose name was almost synonymous with Ellenville.
None of the suddenly jobless workers said they were surprised. After all, the company laid off more than 100 workers without so much as a warning just before Christmas last year.
But lately, there had been signs of a recovery. About 40 people who had been laid off in December were rehired in April. As recently as a few days ago, new hires were coming in the door.
But it all came to nothing. Gardiner's letter said it all:
"Your last day of employment will commence on July 30, 2004."
Gardiner blamed unspecified "difficulties" with the company's suppliers and financial institutions, as well as sluggish sales in the wake of Sept. 11. A company spokeswoman refused to answer specific questions following the announcement, including exactly how many workers were fired.
Whatever reasons the company gave, the workers blamed their bosses for the hurt they felt and the panic that was already spreading.
The kids. The rent. Back-to-school clothes. Health coverage.
Standing in the front doorway of Schrade yesterday morning was like being the first visitor at a wake.

THE LIGHTS were being shut off in one of the plant's many machine shops by 9:30 a.m. A few time cards remained in slots along the wall next to the time clock.
In the main hall leading to the employee exit, workers carried boxes and yellow ShopRite bags stuffed with personal items: family pictures, posters, sweaters and sweatshirts.
Along the wall hung the United Way fund-raising barometer. Plant employees were $500 shy of their goal of $5,000.
Outside at a shaded picnic bench, as the newly jobless workers walked to their cars and trucks, two women sat smoking and crying.
"It will be OK, Agnie," said Teresa Kalinowska, 42.
Both Kalinowska and Agnieszka Nadrowska, 36, are immigrants from Poland. Both had worked at Schrade's shipping department since their arrival in America: Nadrowska for six years, Kalinowska for five.
Both have children. Neither one knows what they're going to do.
"I'm always honest with my children," said Nadrowska, a widow who came from Staszow, Poland, with her two kids, a daughter, now 15, and a 16-year-old son. "I guess I'll tell them today I have no job."
After four years of scrimping and saving and establishing credit, Nadrowska finally bought a fixer-upper house in Ellenville. In the last two years, she's replaced the plumbing, the furnace and the roof, and painted the walls.
"The yard is small, but my kids play [in] it," she said as she took a heavy pull off her cigarette.
She started to cry again.
"My daughter, her birthday is in August," she said. "Happy birthday, yes?"
Supervisor Frank Ficsor found himself in tears when he said goodbye to the men and women in his department.
Ficsor is 48 years old. He went to work for Schrade on his 18th birthday.
"It's like a death in the family," he said yesterday.
He, like every other worker, will receive no buyout, no severance pay. His health insurance coverage ends today.
He has two kids in college.

VILLAGE MANAGER Elliot Auerbach thought more cooperation between Schrade and the village could have helped.
"I'm angry. So many people have been totally blindsided. There's no excuse for it," he said yesterday.
Auerbach said he'd met with Gardiner and other officials after the December layoffs. He told them they'd shown a lack of compassion and sensitivity.
"Obviously, they didn't listen."
Cheap foreign labor, especially in China, has long been blamed for the company's problems. But it's not that simple, according to a state expert.
The closing may have a big impact locally, but it's part of a long-standing national trend, according to Nallan Suresh, professor of management science at the State University of Buffalo.
Fixed Chinese exchange rates that make materials cheaper there are at the root of Schrade's problem, according to Suresh.
"Material costs are as much as 75 percent lower in China, so it's not just cheap labor," he said.
Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Saugerties, also blamed Chinese competition on Schrade's closing.
Hinchey said he was shocked by the closing, especially since he believed the company was on the verge of getting a "very significant" military contract.
Since 1990, according to the state Labor Department, more than 6,300 manufacturing jobs have disappeared in the Upper Delaware and Hudson Valley region, which includes Orange, Ulster and Sullivan counties in New York and Pike County in Pennsylvania.
Ulster has lost 1,100 jobs; Pike and Orange have lost 5,200; and Sullivan, while losing a few hundred jobs from 2000 to 2001, has remained relatively steady since 1990, according to Johnnie Nelson, a labor market analyst with the department.
Michael Cruz sat on a picnic bench outside the front door and looked into the distance. He's 60 years old, two years from retirement.
"Everything's changed," he said. "What are you going to do?"
 
That is truly a shame, I toured the facility back in the late 80's while I was upstate for a Wedding Anniversary.

Schrade has been supplying knives to the working man as long as working men have been buying knives, one of the first knives I owned as a kin was an 8OT, because of Schrade some of the better knife innovations came to light, in types of steel, manufacturing processes, and types of locks and opening systems.

Schrade has always kept the knife buying publics interest at heart, participated in clubs and organizations like the Boy Scouts, and in days gone by, the Girl Scouts too.

It's a sin when a treasured resource like Shrade has to close their doors because of cheaper manufactured imports, and a town that essentially turned it's back on a Company in need.

Hang on to all your Schrade's and Uncle Henry's, they probably won't be made again.

Say goodbye to a national landmark, Schrade we'll miss you terribly.
 
That's a shocker ! and I just drove by there yesterday.I'll be taking good care of my Schrade knives.
 
I certainly feel sorry for those people who are now out of work. From the article though it doesn't sound like the town had anything to do with it, it sounded like it was the owners of the company.
 
My apologies, it's early and I'm just washing down my first cup of coffee, I misread the towns involvement.

It still sucks when something like this happens.

I wonder if there are going to be any auctions or sale due to the closing.
 
Wow. My first knife was an Old Timer stockman, which sparked my lifelong interest in knives.

I am truly sorry that the fine folks at Schrade have lost their jobs. What a huge loss to the knife community.
 
GarageBoy said:
This was unexpected. Whos left, case? ::shudders

Queen?



I'll be surprised if someone (maybe Camillus) doesn't buy up the Old Timer name.

On a hopeful note, Kabar, Camillus, Queen and Case are 5, 3, 7 and 5 hours away from Ellenville. Maybe they'll find some work elsewhere.

Stock up while you can - my local Galyan's is blowing out some of the OTs.
 
I'm a protectionist who believes the U.S. should put big time duties on imported products. I think our government is making a mistake with imported goods from which we will never recover. Allowing China to take our manufacturing and manufacturing jobs is just plain stupid. It doesn't have to be that way. I think we could likely eliminate income tax and replace it with import duties. It would require American "manufacturers" to become manufacturers, however. The great majority of American "manufacturers" are really just importers.

But, I also think Schrade management needs to take the blame. Blaming it on China is an excuse. They should blame it on product development and marketing. It is possible for an American company to compete and succeed but it isn't likely with 50 year old products and no marketing. I predicted Schrade's demise to associates in the industry 5 years ago. I thought it would happen sooner. Sorry it had to happen at all.
 
Damn...That's sad news indeed! One of my first fixed-blade knives was a Schrade "Sharp Finger" that I bought MANY years ago to open deer with.
 
I think I'll pull out all my OT and Uncle Henrys, maybe even my few George Schrades and reminisce about my younger years of knife collecting.

Back in the day when a $30 Schrade was an expensive knife.
 
That completely sucks and is the topper to an F'd up week for me. For those that don't know, buck is going through changes of their own. Due to stupid workers comp and electricity costs they will be leaving California next year for more affordable conditions in Idaho to try and remain competitive.

Hopefully some knifemakers can benefit by at least saving some of the equipment when the plant is liquidated and keep that old knife making machinery doing what it was made for.

It's a sad day for our knife community and America in general.

John
 
Everytime a plant closes, the media does the tear-jerker same story presented here. My guess is that there's a book somewhere that has the script all written out, just fill the names in the blanks.

The TV cameras watch the workers emerging from the factory for the last time with their personal items in hand and eyes cast down. The reporter interviews a few of them who, choking back the tears, tell what a great place it was to work (nobody seems to remember the bitter union battle that went on last year). And that's the story.

But the TV cameras don't follow those workers. They don't follow them to the parking lot and watch them all getting into their Hondas and Kias. And they don't follow them to their houses full of big screen TVs with satellite dishes, Tivos, DVD players, CD players, VHS players, and Nintendo players. And they don't show their closets stuffed full of cloths.

And yet these people can't understand why they've lost their jobs, why the plant closed.

I saw a graph the other day of the size in square feet of the average new house built in America. It's been going nowhere but up since about 1980. This despite the fact that the average size of the American family in terms of people is going down. We're building bigger houses to house fewer people. Why? Because there's more stuff! The same article had a graph of average number of garage spaces in new houses since 1980. It's doubled. And the same article graphed closet size. The size of our closets has more than trippled in the last 20 years.

Americans have clearly decided that they want more stuff, that a person's success and worth is measured by how much stuff he has. The phrase, "The one who dies with the most stuff wins," was once a joke; now it's a lifestyle. And where do we get all that stuff? How do we fill our huge houses? What do we put in that new 1.5 car spaces of our average garages? What hangs in our enlarged closets? Imported stuff, that's what!




Walmart, Target? I don't know why they don't stamp your passport at the door. When you go to those places, you are essentially taking a shopping trip to China, India, Malasyia, etc.

I dare you: Next time you're at Walmart or Target, find a non-food isle, start at one end, and just start looking at the tags and boxes to see where the stuff is made.

And yet who crowds into these stores and buys the stuff? The same people we'll be seeing on the evening news next time they pull that book down and start filling in the names, that's who! They're flocking to cheap prices so that they can fill those houses, garages, and closets and live the new American ideal of having everything.

There's one store that I didn't mention: K-Mart. Oh, they've got imported stuff, sure. But I do find a higher fraction of American-made goods at K-Mart.


Every dollar you spend has influence. Every dollar you spend is a vote.
 
Knife Outlet said what I was thinking, my feeling was Schrade wasn't producing what the market wanted. Also I think that mass market companies like Buck and Spyderco must import from lower cost factories to help their bottom line, I doubt they have much of a choice.

I'm not sure I'm a trade protectionist, but I am concerned that decent paying jobs will continue to disappear from America. I think it will be exceptionally difficult to stem this economic tide.
 
What the hell are you guys talkin about??!!Are you tellin me I will no longer to be able to sell schrade knives at my place of business where I have done so for over 28 years??Is schrade knives gone for good really??And why am I just now hearing this?Why has not my suppliy companies been tellin me this??
 
Gollnick said:
Everytime a plant closes, the media does the tear-jerker same story presented here. My guess is that there's a book somewhere that has the script all written out, just fill the names in the blanks.

The TV cameras watch the workers emerging from the factory for the last time with their personal items in hand and eyes cast down. The reporter interviews a few of them who, choking back the tears, tell what a great place it was to work (nobody seems to remember the bitter union battle that went on last year). And that's the story.

But the TV cameras don't follow those workers. They don't follow them to the parking lot and watch them all getting into their Hondas and Kias. And they don't follow them to their houses full of big screen TVs with satellite dishes, Tivos, DVD players, CD players, VHS players, and Nintendo players. And they don't show their closets stuffed full of cloths.

And yet these people can't understand why they've lost their jobs, why the plant closed.

I saw a graph the other day of the size in square feet of the average new house built in America. It's been going nowhere but up since about 1980. This despite the fact that the average size of the American family in terms of people is going down. We're building bigger houses to house fewer people. Why? Because there's more stuff! The same article had a graph of average number of garage spaces in new houses since 1980. It's doubled. And the same article graphed closet size. The size of our closets has more than trippled in the last 20 years.

Americans have clearly decided that they want more stuff, that a person's success and worth is measured by how much stuff he has. The phrase, "The one who dies with the most stuff wins," was once a joke; now it's a lifestyle. And where do we get all that stuff? How do we fill our huge houses? What do we put in that new 1.5 car spaces of our average garages? What hangs in our enlarged closets? Imported stuff, that's what!




Walmart, Target? I don't know why they don't stamp your passport at the door. When you go to those places, you are essentially taking a shopping trip to China, India, Malasyia, etc.

I dare you: Next time you're at Walmart or Target, find a non-food isle, start at one end, and just start looking at the tags and boxes to see where the stuff is made.

And yet who crowds into these stores and buys the stuff? The same people we'll be seeing on the evening news next time they pull that book down and start filling in the names, that's who! They're flocking to cheap prices so that they can fill those houses, garages, and closets and live the new American ideal of having everything.

There's one store that I didn't mention: K-Mart. Oh, they've got imported stuff, sure. But I do find a higher fraction of American-made goods at K-Mart.


Every dollar you spend has influence. Every dollar you spend is a vote.

I must agree
 
DaveH said:
Knife Outlet said what I was thinking, my feeling was Schrade wasn't producing what the market wanted.

Exactly. It makes me very sad to hear this, but you cant run a business like they were and expect to stay competitive.
 
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