Impressive Saber Duel

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Found this weirdly impressive saber duel from some foreign movie on YT. Thought it worth a look. Of course, like any stage sword fight, please take technique with a grain of salt, but it looked good to me.

[video]https://youtu.be/rBTtq2Gzm6w[/video]
 
Ya, I have always liked that one. The older, more experienced swordsman doesn't showboat and saves his energy for actual fighting. Why make big moves when you can move your blade an inch and avoid an engagement? The older I get the more I enjoy seeing age and experience overcome youthful exuberance, especially when the young guy is being a moron. It is also surprising to see that violence actually has an effect, unlike what Hollywood tells you, when heroes take a hit and get a little daub of red paint. Wounds to the head and scalp bleed like crazy and don't slow down without a bit of attention. Movies gloss over that. Unless it's a chambara flick, in which case people are actually filled with orange paint at 40 psi.
 
I agree. Once the younger fellow gets disarmed, he loses control of his temper and starts making goofy, sweeping moves that the older gent deflects without much trouble. I have no idea as to dialogue, but I'd assume it had something to do with command structure or somebody's besmirched honor. One thing is certain, long gone are the days when you disarm somebody and let them retrieve the weapon, :D . A nobler time to be sure.
 
college fencing was normally three bouts . After college the competitions were day long bouts. So many of the young college kids used all their energy in three bouts then they were lost !!! The older fencers did alot of analysis of each opponent then took him out never wasting a bit of energy ! So 50+ guy would take out a young hot shot- fun to watch !!
 
I don't know, it was almost cruel to let him get his sword back. He was just so clearly outclassed, it might have been more humane to give him a quick spank on the buttocks and send him off to his nap without his warm milk. On the bright side, if the guy survived his head wound there was an opening to allow a little common sense to enter. I remember the college fencing club, where the teacher was a guy who was supposed to go to the Olympics but the U.S. boycotted that year. He was 20 years older than us, but we would be drilling all in a line and he would move down the line and one-touching us like an assembly line. By the time I had figured out exactly how I had been hit and come up with an idea for a counter, he would be back around. I would get hit again, he would give a few tips, and move on down. I learned a lot about about bouting, but the best lesson was don't underestimate the old guy who knows what he's doing.
 
mete said:
college fencing was normally three bouts . After college the competitions were day long bouts. So many of the young college kids used all their energy in three bouts then they were lost !!! The older fencers did alot of analysis of each opponent then took him out never wasting a bit of energy ! So 50+ guy would take out a young hot shot- fun to watch !!
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What would be the best strategy in a real fight? Be it fencing or weapon less.

Investing lots of energy and thus increase the likely hood of surviving at least the first encounter
or taking it easy and save energy because there might be a second and third opponent?
 
That's from "with fire and sword" which is an epic (timewise) but good read.
I really liked how hard they were swinging-usually movie fights aren't like that.
If you're well conditioned the energy thing is less important-when we fought kali singlestich or dussack we went all day, pretty much.
 
The business end of a sword can quickly and powerfully cover a lot of distance with only small body movements. I was impressed with this German's handling of this Langschwert he made:

[video=youtube;jfC7siHJh80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfC7siHJh80[/video]
 
Mecha said:
The business end of a sword can quickly and powerfully cover a lot of distance with only small body movements. I was impressed with this German's handling of this Langschwert he made:

[video=youtube;jfC7siHJh80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfC7siHJh80[/video]
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A) he moves nicely and that's a lovely blade
B) alchohol abuse!(those look like beer to me)
 
B) alchohol abuse!(those look like beer to me)
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Hopefully he does the Zombie Tools trick by drinking the beer and replacing with water.
Investing lots of energy and thus increase the likely hood of surviving at least the first encounter
or taking it easy and save energy because there might be a second and third opponent?
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If you don't survive the first encounter, saving your energy isn't the issue. It's wasting energy on flourishes that is silly, or excessive movement that leads to no advantage, or posturing. I remember sparring flashy fighters, and poking them just enough to make them move. A few minutes later, they would be hard pressed to maintain an effective defense. Look at Ali's rope-a-dope as an example of making the other guy too tired to defend himself effectively. The thing with sharps is that the first person to make a mistake is going to get hit, and that first hit may be the only one. Even sticks can cause enough pain or damage to end a bout in one shot. In my young and stupid days, I got dropped because I thought 2 rattan sticks could stop a bokken at my head--enough force got through for a glancing shot to the temple that took me to the ground. Don't make the first mistake, and sometimes that means don't pick up that sword at all. As the man said, don't get into a groin-kicking competition with a man whose nickname is "Iron Balls."
 
Reminds me of the first X-Men movie. They tell the guy not to kick Logan in the balls, because it will just make him mad...

Saving energy doesn't do you a lot of good if you don't get to go home afterwards. Go as hard as you need to go to make it home, but, as BitingSarcasm says, don't waste energy on showing off. If you can put your opponent out of the fight in one shot, do it and go home. Most fights really come down to that one mistake, or getting that one hit in the right place, no matter if it's unarmed, groundwork, blades, or firearms.
 
The Duellists, sabre duels stopped by 3rd parties. 1st by an eye gouging wench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_HvagP0y60
then stagger, slash, grapple. collapse & group intervention.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aflbDR6NIUg
 
kaotikross said:
Found this weirdly impressive saber duel from some foreign movie on YT. Thought it worth a look. Of course, like any stage sword fight, please take technique with a grain of salt, but it looked good to me.

[video]https://youtu.be/rBTtq2Gzm6w[/video]
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That's from "The Deluge", a Polish movie.
 
Repulse him with your bad breath, or a kick in the nads.
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Apparently they put rapier handles on sport epee blades.

I wanna see more sword & dagger fights. Throw in a Sots spiked targe & its the business.
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