In a total SHTF/TEOTWAWKI situation, what will be some valuable barter items?

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What, in your opinion, will be some of the more valuable items you could use for trade in a total TEOTWAWKI?

Considering you already have a stockpile of food, and a fresh water supply.
Myself and ProfessorChaos, a fellow ARFer and co-worker were discussing this the other day. In a total SHTF situation, what do you think would be a valuable good to have a stockpile of to use as trade?

We came to the conclusion that Paper money is little more than fire kindling, and that gold is just a shiny brick. Not very useful. Our thoughts were to stockpile cheap cigarettes and booze, something with a good shelf life like Vodka, Whiskey, ect.
Old Grandad, Old Crow, ect. Thoughts?
 
Electricity, booze, salt, sugar, coffee, medicines, radios, cigs, ammo, and of course women!!
 
There was a thread here on the 1st 100 items to disapear in an emergency, it is about right.

You can never have too much ammo
 
Toilet paper (not a joke, this could be in extremely high demand!)
Basic sanitation and medical supplies (soap, toothpaste, aspirin, disinfectants, etc)
Condoms
Food!
A preservable source of vitamin C (canned fruit, some teas, etc)
Shaving supplies
Whatever can start a fire
 
Old coins from when they were made of precious metals (e.g. canadian quarters pre1968) because of their a reliable weight and purity.
 
Gold is always valuable.

After that:

ammo
guns
weapons
fuel
clean h20
salt
medical supplies
coffee
sugar
liquor
drugs
smokes
shoes
gloves
people with skills that help dr. nurse. medic. mechanic. armorer. electrician.hunters
women (this sounds oh so sexist doesn't it? SHTF they are 60% less in strength and body weight, lights go out, bad things happen not my cup of tea, but look through history if you want to argue the point)

that about covers my thoughts on this, grim subject. I'll take a 12 Gauge and 9mm, two of the most populous rounds on earth and a good ghillie suit.
 
people with skills that help dr. nurse. medic. mechanic. armorer. electrician.hunters

First of all, I don't believe in a TEOTWAWKI situation, but for the sake of discussion, I think the Chef skirted the important point. People with skills, and that 'people' should be you.

If you join up with other people to present a common front to any perceived threat, the more skills you possess, the more valuable you are. People can steal your guns, your ammo, even your woman, but they can't steal your skills.

Or, if you would rather go it alone (for the most part, this would be my choice) all the toys in the world won't take the place of skills. And any attempt to barter with a person/people unknown, is putting yourself at more risk.

So my advice would be, focus on the skills - make yourself as self-sufficient as possible, but, of course, your opinion may vary.

And one last point, if you're going to carry a s***load of gear, do so in some beat-up looking pack/bag, whatever, to reduce the possibility of making yourself look like a desirable target.

Doc
 
Backscratchers. Just cause its the end of the world doesn't mean peoples' backs won't get itchy.
 
Fuel, without a doubt.

I know its just a TV show, but Jericho is quite a useful test model for a total meltdown scenario.

And what commodity immediately became the most sought after item to keep generators and such going for cold rooms, fridges, hospitals, emergency vehicles, etc?

Yup, that's right...
 
I think that the chef just about summed up all of it.

Personally I would want a couple bricks of .22 ammo. Very common and with my lever-action I can put out 12-15 shots if I needed to defend my stuff (15x.22short or 12x.22LR)

Besides that, I would go for a bunch of magazines so my GF won't drive me CRAZY!!!
 
I pulled this off a web site (I forget which) but it was the Top 100 items. I limited it to the top 50 for sake of brevity.

Top 50 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
 
I think one of the next major SHTF situations is going to be the bird flu. If thats the case lists will change a bit.

Food/water for quarantine up to a year.

Waste management products, plastics, chemicals etc..

N95 or better masks (dozens) and gloves.

Hand sanitizers, soap, bleach.

Supportive medical items list is loong, research. You are on your own medically after a while.

Duct tape, plastic sheeting.

Fuel, generators, stoves etc...

Lets hope this never happens but I believe its just a matter of time.

Skam
 
People seem to think that if civilization ends gold and silver will still have value.

I was watching a show about England after the Romans left and they said that after the Empire left England they went on a barter system for a few hundred years. Gold, silver, precious stones were all basically worthless.

Stock up on coins and bullion if you like but I don't think that I'll be wanting to trade any of my corn for it. Now if you had a nice basket to put the corn in then we could talk. :)

Chad
 
Anything that can be bartered can either be stolen or "seized/appropriated". I can imagine that anyone who can spare a "brick" of 22lr has more somewhere, and could easily be considered a target. Remember that people will not be detered in a life or death situation. They are already staring death in the face as it were, and will likely not see the fact that you are armed as much of a deterrent. I plan on helping close family, and very close friends and that is it. I also only plan on short term 2-3 weeks at the most. Beyond that its all fair game.
 
Anything that can be bartered can either be stolen or "seized/appropriated". I can imagine that anyone who can spare a "brick" of 22lr has more somewhere, and could easily be considered a target. Remember that people will not be detered in a life or death situation. They are already staring death in the face as it were, and will likely not see the fact that you are armed as much of a deterrent. I plan on helping close family, and very close friends and that is it. I also only plan on short term 2-3 weeks at the most. Beyond that its all fair game.

True, we are only "civilized" because the lights turn on with the flick of a switch and we obey the laws (for the most part) because there is always food and water readily available. Now, take that away and people will do anything to save themselves, no matter what the cost. At least most of us here in this forum have the know how to survive and hopefully stay calm, whereas everyone else is going to run rampant on the streets trying to steal our stuff. I would of course only really help my family and close friends and probably run up to my future-in-laws ranch. Over there there is wild game and they have their own water well. Pretty much self reliant, there just won't be electricity if the SHTF. They have a stockpile of rifles and shotguns with plenty of ammo, and that doesn't include my stuff.
 
I pulled this off a web site (I forget which) but it was the Top 100 items. I limited it to the top 50 for sake of brevity.

Top 50 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.)
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)



I don't buy into this list in the least-I'm sorry man, nothing personal.

In a survival situation if your house is the one lit up, making noise and distrubuting the smells of fossil fuels with a genny that makes a huge X on your domicile. A complete change of life would be in order in which a primitive way as in "Dies the Fire" is a good model. I would rather be up on skills at that point then doing the Mad Max, look for fuel model.

DOC and I finally agree on something though, two things really, one is this much of a tragedy cannot happen A. There is too much power in keeping things civil and on a seperate note B. Your skillset is always the most valuable commodity that you bring to the table. Pragmatism in execution is a goldmine on its own but coupled with knowledge is a truly wonderful thing.
 
Chef,

I don't endorse this list either. It is just a list as I see it. Helpful for things you don't think of.

Maybe the Primitive skills list published earlier on this site is more valuable.

Primitive Skills Checklist

Social Skills
• Ability to work in a team, for the common good
• Ability to receive criticism and to effectively offer constructive criticism
• Desire to work harder than others, and take the initiative to get things done for the
common good
• Ability to maintain a positive attitude
• Knowledge of primitive games, fun, music and celebrations

Travel
• Ability to hike solo over unfamiliar terrain without getting lost
• Ability to guide others, physically and verbally, to a location unknown to others
• Ability to read the landscape to anticipate the easiest route of travel, and the
location of water, game, plants and useful materials
• Knowledge of safe stream crossings, snow crossings and rough terrain travel
• Knowledge of long distance travel strategies and the economic calendar of the area
• Good physical condition, moderate body fat, tough feet
• Ability to hike 5-15 miles per day with a 30-lb. pack

Fire
• Consistently started fire by friction using a variety of materials
• Made a successful friction fire set from materials on-site using stone age tools
• Consistently made friction fire in the rain, snow and dark
• Experience using fire for cooking with pottery, stone boiling and pit bake
• Experience banking fire or other methods to maintain coals overnight
• Carrier fire using a long match from one camp to another
• Used fire to bend wood
• Used fire to coal-burn a container

Shelter
• Made a nearly waterproof wickiup, lean-to and debris hut and slept in them
• Made a coal bed and slept on it
• Slept in a primitive shelter using only natural, local bedding and stone age gear
• Made a primitive shelter in the rain or snow and slept in it
• Made a woven or sewn tule or cattail mat

Food (See also next two categories)
• Has lived completely off the land for one week
• Ditto, in each of the four seasons in your area
• Proficiency with a variety of food storage techniques and pest controls, including
smoking, drying, rendering, granaries, and caches

Plants
• Has a thorough knowledge of plant families and their characteristics
• Has a thorough knowledge of original people’s plant uses, harvesting, processing,
and storage methods in the area
• Has a thorough knowledge of medicinal plants and their uses in the area

Trapping, Fishing, and Hunting
• Has a thorough knowledge of the habitats and habits of the fish and wildlife in the
area. Has an understanding of sustainable harvesting
• Has skill in reading animal signs and tracks
• Has captured animals with primitive deadfalls, snares and traps
• Can construct 4 kinds of triggers on site using stone tools
• Can construct 2 kinds of snares on site using stone tools
• Has caught fish using primitive line and lure, spear, fish trap and/or gill net
• Knowledge of stalking and skill hunting techniques
• Harvested a big game animal with stone age equipment
• Made and is proficient with primitive bow and arrow, atlatl and dart, and throwing
stick
• Butchered and skinned an animal with stone tools

Clothing
• Made buckskin using only stone age tools and brains of the animal
• Made a complete set of buckskin clothing including shirt/dress, leggings/skirt and
moccasins
• Sewn buckskin with only stone age tools and materials
• Tanned fur-bearing animal and made garment from the fur
• Knowledge of rawhide processing and construction methods
• Knowledge of bark tanning process
• Made clothing out of plant fiber (examples: tumpline, sagebrush sandals, cedar
bark blanket)
• Made and used winter footwear in wet or snowy weather. Knowledge of greased or
insulated footwear
• Knowledge of clothing, equipment and methods to deal with cold and rainy
conditions

Basketry and Cordage
• Made baskets from a variety of materials and techniques including a burden basket
and water-tight basket (without pitch and sealant0
• Made baskets sealed with pitch or other sealant
• Knowledge of netting techniques
• Knowledge of stone boiling in a basket
• Made cordage from a variety of materials and techniques
• Made rope from many strands braided and multi-plied

Pottery
• Made a fired pot holding 1 gallon from wild harvested clay
• Knowledge of cooking with pottery on a fire

Knapping
• Competency in basic spalling, percussion and pressure flaking, pecking and hafting
• Made uniform thin, straight blades, 5 inches or longer, using stone age tools (no
copper)
• Made and proficient in use of scrapers, burins and drills
• Made and proficient in use of stone axe
• Knowledge of heat treating stone
• Made tools from a variety of stone
• Knowledge of useful stone materials in the area

Bone and Antler Tools
• Made bone and antler tools with stone age equipment, including fish hooks, spears,
awls, needles
• Used bone or antler for wedges, cutting, stabbing, sawing, pounding and knapping

Woodsmanship
• Knowledge of security measures regarding wolves, bears, mountain lions,
rattlesnakes, scorpions, etc
• Awareness of weather changes and patterns
• Awareness of wildland fire behavior and safety measures
• Has developed their intuition and woods savvy
• Awareness of changes in natural flow (bird and bug chatter, wind direction, etc)
• Knowledge of collection, preparation and use of pitch and glues, mineral pigments
• Knowledge of useful knots including fisherman’s, bowline, square, clove hitch,
tauntline, and stopper knots
• Knowledge of lashing and splicing
• Knowledge of telling time by the sun and stars

Healthcare
• Knowledge of primitive hygiene concerns, preventative measures and remedies
• Thorough knowledge of backcountry first aid, CPR and evacuation methods
• Knowledge of infectious diseases, adverse syndromes, hypothermia, parasites and
poisonous plants that occur in the area; preventative measures and modern
treatment
• Knowledge of how a wild diet and primitive activities impact nutritional needs
 
Chef,

I don't endorse this list either. It is just a list as I see it. Helpful for things you don't think of.

Maybe the Primitive skills list published earlier on this site is more valuable.

Primitive Skills Checklist

Social Skills
• Ability to work in a team, for the common good
• Ability to receive criticism and to effectively offer constructive criticism
• Desire to work harder than others, and take the initiative to get things done for the
common good
• Ability to maintain a positive attitude
• Knowledge of primitive games, fun, music and celebrations

Travel
• Ability to hike solo over unfamiliar terrain without getting lost
• Ability to guide others, physically and verbally, to a location unknown to others
• Ability to read the landscape to anticipate the easiest route of travel, and the
location of water, game, plants and useful materials
• Knowledge of safe stream crossings, snow crossings and rough terrain travel
• Knowledge of long distance travel strategies and the economic calendar of the area
• Good physical condition, moderate body fat, tough feet
• Ability to hike 5-15 miles per day with a 30-lb. pack

Fire
• Consistently started fire by friction using a variety of materials
• Made a successful friction fire set from materials on-site using stone age tools
• Consistently made friction fire in the rain, snow and dark
• Experience using fire for cooking with pottery, stone boiling and pit bake
• Experience banking fire or other methods to maintain coals overnight
• Carrier fire using a long match from one camp to another
• Used fire to bend wood
• Used fire to coal-burn a container

Shelter
• Made a nearly waterproof wickiup, lean-to and debris hut and slept in them
• Made a coal bed and slept on it
• Slept in a primitive shelter using only natural, local bedding and stone age gear
• Made a primitive shelter in the rain or snow and slept in it
• Made a woven or sewn tule or cattail mat

Food (See also next two categories)
• Has lived completely off the land for one week
• Ditto, in each of the four seasons in your area
• Proficiency with a variety of food storage techniques and pest controls, including
smoking, drying, rendering, granaries, and caches

Plants
• Has a thorough knowledge of plant families and their characteristics
• Has a thorough knowledge of original people’s plant uses, harvesting, processing,
and storage methods in the area
• Has a thorough knowledge of medicinal plants and their uses in the area

Trapping, Fishing, and Hunting
• Has a thorough knowledge of the habitats and habits of the fish and wildlife in the
area. Has an understanding of sustainable harvesting
• Has skill in reading animal signs and tracks
• Has captured animals with primitive deadfalls, snares and traps
• Can construct 4 kinds of triggers on site using stone tools
• Can construct 2 kinds of snares on site using stone tools
• Has caught fish using primitive line and lure, spear, fish trap and/or gill net
• Knowledge of stalking and skill hunting techniques
• Harvested a big game animal with stone age equipment
• Made and is proficient with primitive bow and arrow, atlatl and dart, and throwing
stick
• Butchered and skinned an animal with stone tools

Clothing
• Made buckskin using only stone age tools and brains of the animal
• Made a complete set of buckskin clothing including shirt/dress, leggings/skirt and
moccasins
• Sewn buckskin with only stone age tools and materials
• Tanned fur-bearing animal and made garment from the fur
• Knowledge of rawhide processing and construction methods
• Knowledge of bark tanning process
• Made clothing out of plant fiber (examples: tumpline, sagebrush sandals, cedar
bark blanket)
• Made and used winter footwear in wet or snowy weather. Knowledge of greased or
insulated footwear
• Knowledge of clothing, equipment and methods to deal with cold and rainy
conditions

Basketry and Cordage
• Made baskets from a variety of materials and techniques including a burden basket
and water-tight basket (without pitch and sealant0
• Made baskets sealed with pitch or other sealant
• Knowledge of netting techniques
• Knowledge of stone boiling in a basket
• Made cordage from a variety of materials and techniques
• Made rope from many strands braided and multi-plied

Pottery
• Made a fired pot holding 1 gallon from wild harvested clay
• Knowledge of cooking with pottery on a fire

Knapping
• Competency in basic spalling, percussion and pressure flaking, pecking and hafting
• Made uniform thin, straight blades, 5 inches or longer, using stone age tools (no
copper)
• Made and proficient in use of scrapers, burins and drills
• Made and proficient in use of stone axe
• Knowledge of heat treating stone
• Made tools from a variety of stone
• Knowledge of useful stone materials in the area

Bone and Antler Tools
• Made bone and antler tools with stone age equipment, including fish hooks, spears,
awls, needles
• Used bone or antler for wedges, cutting, stabbing, sawing, pounding and knapping

Woodsmanship
• Knowledge of security measures regarding wolves, bears, mountain lions,
rattlesnakes, scorpions, etc
• Awareness of weather changes and patterns
• Awareness of wildland fire behavior and safety measures
• Has developed their intuition and woods savvy
• Awareness of changes in natural flow (bird and bug chatter, wind direction, etc)
• Knowledge of collection, preparation and use of pitch and glues, mineral pigments
• Knowledge of useful knots including fisherman’s, bowline, square, clove hitch,
tauntline, and stopper knots
• Knowledge of lashing and splicing
• Knowledge of telling time by the sun and stars

Healthcare
• Knowledge of primitive hygiene concerns, preventative measures and remedies
• Thorough knowledge of backcountry first aid, CPR and evacuation methods
• Knowledge of infectious diseases, adverse syndromes, hypothermia, parasites and
poisonous plants that occur in the area; preventative measures and modern
treatment
• Knowledge of how a wild diet and primitive activities impact nutritional needs

Man now thats quite the list, I think I'll be printing that one off and taking it to task. Thanks a bunch for putting that up there! :thumbup:
 
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