In need of advise on a 4 to 5 day pack

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Well here I go, never posted before so please forgive any errors. I basicly need any and all advise from persons of exerince involving 4 to 5 day backpack options. Price as always is important but not the end all be all of my choice. Millitary surplus is allways an option. By the way any body with info on the large GI alice pack more than invited to edgamacate a newbie. Thanks.:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::o:o:o
 
I like my Arc Terryx Bora 80. It would be just the right size for a 5 day trip and is very well made, but a bit expensive.
 
First you have to figure out how big of a pack you need. If you're carrying a tarp and blanket you don't need as much room as you do with a tent and sleeping bag. If you can find a box to fit everything into that you plan on carrying, you can then figure the cubic inches and have a decent starting point for what size you need. The lighter your gear, the lighter/smaller the pack can be. Also, if you have a bigger pack you tend to want to carry more to fill it up.

The best thing to do is to find a good shop that has a selection of packs. Packs are very personal, what fits me well may be uncomfortable for you. Try on as many as you can and walk around with them on for a while. The employees at a good shop will size you and help you adjust the pack. They'll have weights to put in the pack to simulate the load. A lot of stores will let you bring your own gear to put in the pack as well so you can not only see that everything fits but also get a better idea of what the load will be like.

If you google 'backpack reviews' you can find several sites. That might help you get a better idea of what's available and the differences in brands. You can also look over sites such as REI, EMS, Mgear, etc.

As for the large Alice pack, it's an external frame. The small Alice pack can be used w/o the frame but the large can't. Most packs today are internal frame as they tend to ride better when you're hiking. External frames are typically better at carrying a heavy load. Military packs are usually heavier than civilian ones for the same size, they have to survive a much more harsh environment so they're overbuilt. I've used the large Alice pack and I'd never pick it over a good civilian pack, there's a world of difference comfort wise. The small version isn't bad as a daypack but I'd still take a good civilian pack over it.
 
I have had good luck with kelty and gregory packs, but IMHO they pale next to the two Kifaru packs I have and now use exclusively.
 
If you are near a good camping store like REI you can bring in what you want to carry and somebody will help you find a pack that will carry all your stuff and then you can pack it up and walk around the store with the loaded pack on your back.

Chad
 
+1 on the Bora 80....expensive, but I have used the hell out of it for nine years with no noticeable marks of usage except sweat stains. I would love for it to wear out so I can get the new, lighter-weight version, but I can't justify the expense.
 
I've used the GI large ALICE, it's not so much for camping/hiking as for muling a large load. Mules would probably not do the job, but soldiers think they are tough. The next step would be the SF type packs, which are really just older commercial designs. They have a reputation for not being as durable, which follows - few commercial packs could survive being repeatedly thrown off the back of a five ton for years.

Coleman made an excellent external frame, fully adjustable, called the Ramflex. It did well for the cost, offered a lot of versatility. I believe Outdoor Products picked it up when Coleman dumped it for another high profit market. That frame appears to be molded FRN, and offers a lot of durability and light weight. Packs that come on them from Outdoors are more modern, which may or may not be so good - lots of pockets sometimes are confusing, or worse, invite you to carry too much.

Internal frame packs were originally designed for rockclimbers - the kind of guys who sleep anchored to a rock face. The carry well, but don't offer as much adjustability. They are also more expensive, and part of the "I've got the same kind as those guys who climbed Mt. Certaindeath!" mentality. You see suburbanites unloading them from hybrids at the trailhead, packing wine and an icecream maker. They are not necessarily the best, just sell a lot right now. Maybe they have a higher profit potential as there is just a lot of sewing in them, not hardware.

Internal frame packs do sit closer to the spine - good for balance, bad in the summer when you need air circulation. The bendable sheets or sticks do bend into shape, and back out of shape, too.

Backpacking with any load is also a matter of getting into shape. If you plan on a longer trip, work up to it. A good reference point for all this is the keyword "Appalachian Trail." Dozens of books on the subject, with a chapter on proper gear in each. Probably the premier hiking event, and really tests the usefulness and durability of equipment - what little you actually need.
 
I would go with either of the two:
Gregory-Super comfortable, pretty cheap, tons of features
Mountainsmith-Comfortable, Unbreakable, LIGHT!
 
I use a large Swiss military pack thst I picked up from armynavydeals.com. It is of a large enough capacity though it is a tad heavier than the large alice. It will however outlast the large alice 5 to one with no problem. If you are new to packing you would be very well served to go to a mountain supply store of some type andbe fitted for a pack, Then you can more easily sort through all the available choices. Also take into consideration what type of backpacking you are interested in as that wpould make a difference in how large of a pack you need.

When I served in Uncle Sam's Misguided Children none of us had much nice to say about alice. There are far better systems available for not much more of an investment.
 
Another forumite who has a Bora 80. It's comfortable and rugged, not light, but it's gone through many nights in the mountains, desert, plains and woods without a problem.
 
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