Induction burner oil temper?

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I know it's unlikely anyone has tried this, so I'm asking for opinions as much as experience. I have a little portable induction cooktop, and I was thinking what if you used that as the heat source for an oil bath temper for a sword or something similar? From what I understand the danger with an oil temper is having a big tube of oil, most of the way full, sitting at close to its flash point and balanced on top of a gas burner. Logically if you take away the gas burner you'd remove a lot of the danger, yeah?

For anyone who's never used/seen an induction burner, it's about a 12x12 glass surface and it generally gets things as hot as a gas stove would get them.
 
the danger with an oil temper is having a big tube of oil, most of the way full, sitting at close to its flash point and balanced
this is the main danger. Spill any of this on anything with a lower flash point and you have a fire.
on top of a gas burner. Logically if you take away the gas burner you'd remove a lot of the danger, yeah?
You would remove the burner as a source of combustion, but see above.
 
How hot are you trying to heat the oil? How big is the tank?
There are many things that easily heat a tank of oil to the 130°F required for most oil quenchants. Tank straps, heater rods, etc.

Parks #50 is my preferred sword quenchant. It is used at room temperature. Pretty much eliminates any risk of a boil over or flare up.
 
oil bath temper for a sword or something similar
He did say "oil bath temper" so I read it as he is wanting to heat the oil up to tempering temperature of 400°F or so. Perhaps he doesn't have a place long enough for tempering a sword and is considering heating a tank filled oil as a method of tempering?

I'd like the OP to comment on what he's thinking.

Ken H>
 
I missed the "temper" word.
IF the oil is the right type, IF the tank is magnetic steel, and IF you have all the fire protocols in place ... then heating the oil with a non-flame is safer. There is still a risk of fire. The flash point of various oils is 350-450°F.
 
IIRC, silicone oil is very expensive and has a fairly short shelf life, especially if heated.
I would make sure to get the right silicone oil. While there are some Duratherm commercial oils with higher flash points, most are in the 350-400°F range. The best silicone oil for a tempering bath I could find was Duratherm -S. It has a flash point above 500°F.

For those wanting a liquid for ausquenching, austempering, or other tempering situations, a low temp salt pot is probably the best way to go.
 
There are cooking oils that have smoke points well above 400f, so if you're only going that hot those are an option. Won't allow you to go much hotter than maybe 450f. They will oxidise over time
Standard big pot of hot stuff safety applies: have a tight fitting lid on hand, make sure it can't fall over
 
Yes, peanut oil has a flash point at 440-450°F. Unfortunately, it degrades rapidly at those temperatures. Even 400°F would make it have a short pot life. It is also at least $10 a gallon. A sword depth tank for tempering would be a minimum of 36X8". That has a volume around 10 gallons.

A big issue with the idea is the weight capacity of an induction burner. My research shows the max weight is 50 pounds. You would have to make the tank on a three leg stand with the burner pressing against the bottom (springs?), not the tank sitting on it. This would also be the most stable setup to avoid tipping.

Just for fun, I did some math and other calculations:
A sword depth tank for tempering would be a minimum of 36X8". Stainless steel would be best. That would work for a 30" sword blade ( You would need 6" of empty tank above the liquid level).
That has a volume a little less than 10 gallons.
10 gallons of peanut oil weighs 75 pounds.
That size tank weighs at least 60 pounds with bottom and lid.
The tank will need good insulation, some method of agitation for even heating, temperature control, and some sort of gantry to keep it stable and non-tippable.
Tipping is a serious issue with any tall thin tank of hot flammable liquid. I figure the whole setup would be around 5 feet tall. A 5-foot tall setup would needs a base a minimum of 1 foot wider than the diameter. The height includes the base (three legs welded on the tank and channel welded between the legs on the floor would be best). I would suggest that the bass support be 3 feet wide to avoid any tipping risk.
Tank setup would run at least 150 pounds, probably 200.

Induction Burners:
An 1800W burner will handle an 8-10" wide pot base. The ones I looked at have temperature control only in 20° steps. As said in the first paragraph, the weight limit seems to be 50 pounds. Heating rate is not real fast.
I also read technical information on ambient temperature. They need a free flow of air with a max of 110°F. I suspect sitting below a 400° tank of oil will raise the ambient in that area well above 110°.
Heating time - It appears an induction burner heating a large volume of liquid isn't very fast. The charts showed an 1800W burner could heat 4 gallons of water to boiling at a rate of 2.5°/min. I don't know how much efficiency would be lost as you tried to heat 10 gallons of oil, but suspect it may be half as efficient or worse. A 4 gallon pot of water would take about an hour to heat from 70°F ambient to boiling. No telling what (if possible) it would take to heat to 400°, but at 2.5°/min that would take 6.2 hours to heat 4 gallons. 10 gallons of oil may take half a day to heat up. This would be the biggest reason tragedy could strike, as I doubt anyone would sit there staring at the readouts for 12 hours without going to do something else.
Please don't just set the burner at 400° and go do something else while waiting for it to heat up unless you don't want to have a shop anymore.


Safety:
In a tall tank of flammable liquid is never going to be "safe". The best you can do is reduce the risks. You have two choices to heat it to 400°F. As you near the flash point, safety gets somewhat doubtful no mater what you do.
 
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