Infi is it still evolving ?

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This is really a question for the Busse Team. Infi is it still evolving
or is the formula/heat treatment closed.
 
Jerry mentioned a while back that he was experimenting with it a bit to see if he couldn't up the RC a bit without sacrificing the toughness.

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I am guessing if he does mangage to improve InFi the value of the older InFi will decrease thus a set back for those collecting for value. I could be wrong but it does hold true for most industries. Just a thought for what it's worth
 
JAMerolle said:
I am guessing if he does mangage to improve InFi the value of the older InFi will decrease thus a set back for those collecting for value. I could be wrong but it does hold true for most industries. Just a thought for what it's worth
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I don't think so... the older INFI has nothing to do with the company business and at time any company deadlock their improvement, they were behind.

Even so.. why would they bother spend if they still make a good sale. :rolleyes:
 
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Gravelface said:
Not gonna happen. The older a2. D2. Are worth quite a bit
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Not to mention higher hardness has its place for some jobs. If it ever changes people will seek out both for their indivudual use. I my want a softer chopper and a harder Muk for example.
 
Right rockgolfer , but his goal as highlighted above would be to increase rc without a compromise of toughness.
 
In my opinion everything jas a trade off. Infi works and it works well, why mess with it at all? I do love the fact that elmax has been used and look forward to the Busse clan putting out new steels for us to play with. I know technology changes but often times well enough should be left alone.

And when Jerry comes on and posts the newest hottest infi creation with harder RC well, I am sure I will be in line to buy it ;)
 
Strictly speaking, we have no way of knowing if Jerry has been tinkering with the alloy or the heat treat already. That's one advantage of using a proprietary steel. He could be trying to make improvements in the balance of properties, or streamline the production process, or even reduce the raw material and production cost while maintaining properties. Companies do that sort of work all the time. If done right, while continuing to deliver the same quality product to the customer, we might never know.
 
JAMerolle said:
I am guessing if he does mangage to improve InFi the value of the older InFi will decrease thus a set back for those collecting for value. I could be wrong but it does hold true for most industries. Just a thought for what it's worth
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What makes Busse different is their business model. Because the knives they produce are made ONLY during a given time period, then discontinued... it would be impossible to buy an older model in the "new" infi (although the custom shop may do it...). The models made in INFI will never be reproduced at a production level. Thus, someone wanting a (pick your model) FFBM wouldn't have the choice of steels since it is only made from INFI.

This is why Busse's continue to appreciate in value. The supply of any given model is finite. With supply limited, and increasing demand... prices rise. :cool:



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kdstrick said:
This is why Busse's continue to appreciate in value. The supply of any given model is finite. With supply limited, and increasing demand... prices rise. :cool:



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But not all models, all the time.

Consider the SFNO. After it went away, it became a very desirable knife, and resale prices moved up. But then Jerry came out with the SFNO LE at a very good price, and there were also other SFNO models sold at shows. That killed the resale value of the originals, if you had bought one secondhand. Same thing with the Heavy Heart. Only 400 made, all CG. Great knife. Resale on those went well over $600. Then Busse started selling them again at shows, in satin finish no less, for $550.

So be careful; buy what you like, but never assume you will always see price appreciation.
 
^^^^^^^^ Very true. The economy is also a huge factor in any collectable market.

One of the great things about Busse, is that you can generally make a buck or two if you decide to sell. But one thing for sure, I've never LOST money on a Busse.

It is almost like a money back guarantee. Or maybe a buy and try... Just hold it long enough to where it is no longer in production and you really can't lose. I'm not aware of many other brands where this is possible. Now... if you buy on the secondary market all bets are off. :D

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Something to think about is when INFI was introduced it was new exciting technological miracle steel. Much like 440c was. Some of the new nitrogen stainless steels they have now BLOW everything out of the water (Vanax Nitrogen Stainless Steel, N690 etc etc...) on paper. Let custom makers tinker with their heat treatments to find the perfect HT procedure and I'm sure we can see better properties than infi for the exact same application as infi in time.

Busse put LOTS of money in its development, contracts with a steel producer, legal costs etc etc... I doubt it would be economical for the company to change steels. So what do we see? Different heat treating procedures to get different properties of this given steel. (thought Steels always have an optimal range of hardness/ht proceadure for a given application)

Food for thought.
 
Busse is not stagnant. Jerry will continue to advance his steel or others ahead of the rest.
 
i love the quest for the "best steel"

for the moment, that's INFI in a fixed blade. Still haven't figured out what it is in a folder, although CPM154 is my current favorite.

If Jerry comes out with something as tough as INFI but with better edge retention, i'll be on board to buy
 
JAMerolle said:

This is really a question for the Busse Team. Infi is it still evolving
or is the formula/heat treatment closed.


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It seems as if you believe the Infi used today is the same as the Infi used in prior years. I don't know that this is a safe assumption. With any manufacturing process, I would expect there to be minor changes/improvements over time. Assuming it took some time for Busse to develop this proprietary steel/treatment, it seems naive to think that he would not continue to seek to improve it.

Sure it my not be "Infi-2" but I would be shocked if there were not minor incremental changes/refinements in the process.
 
kdstrick said:
One of the great things about Busse, is that you can generally make a buck or two if you decide to sell. But one thing for sure, I've never LOST money on a Busse.

It is almost like a money back guarantee. Or maybe a buy and try... Just hold it long enough to where it is no longer in production and you really can't lose. I'm not aware of many other brands where this is possible. Now... if you buy on the secondary market all bets are off. :D

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I have a pair of Santa's Outlaw Wicked and a pair of Sus Scrofa that I would be happy to be able to sell at cost. Maybe if I wait another 10 years...
 
When it was first in testing and in the first few years it's hardness was high then they lowered the hardness. Why?
 
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