Informal machete review - Marbles Scout and CS bolo

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Just got back from a short hike at John Pond in the Central Adirondacks. I brought along two machetes to see how they'd do on some fairly ambitious chores. I normally bring a Fiskars 14" hatchet and its proven to do a fantastic job processing logs for the fire. I prefer it to the camp saws I've tried because I feel with good technique it gets more done using less energy, even if the saw gets it done faster (usually). Also, I can tell when my hatchet is getting dull with an inspection, with the saw I have to beat it to death before I know I have to replace it.

Anyway - the two machetes are a Marbles 14 scout and a Cold Steel bolo pattern. The Scout is about 3 ounces lighter and 2" shorter. I put a very nice edge on both prior to the trip - they could push cut industrial catalog paper across the grain and easily do the same to regular newspaper. The Marbles is 1075 steel and the CS is 1055. One of the reasons I brought both was to compare edge retention on similar tasks.

Both performed most camp chores easily and with more convenience than a hatchet - trimming a few poles down for my shelter and chopping down some kindling. Then the real work begins. As I was camping near one of the signature Adirondack lean-tos, suitable wood for the fire was quite scarce. One has to wander a bit to find good smaller downfall, but closer there's usually a fair amount of larger logs that most camper just don't want to tackle. Here's where a good hatchet can excell, processing down logs up to 7 or 8" if necessary. I was doubtful that either machete could do this sort of work with a reasonable amount of effort. In fact, both patterns went through some 4" white birch with no real difficulty. Tackling some downed and seasoned beech about 6" across was a different story. It absolutely repelled the Marbles machete and slightly turned the edge in several places. After fighting halfway through I turned the job over to the other contender. The bolo machete made 7 passes through it (with plenty of breaks and using the recommended pinch-grip) and while the edge was somewhat degraded it seemed to hold up very well overall. I'm estimating about 400-500 hits total on the beech (son of a beech, I checked after returning home and American beech is rated just a touch harder than red oak - been camping the Adks for years and never knew this).

Conclusion, next time I'm camping in an easily accessible area I'm bringing my hatchet. Not as handy for some tasks, but far superior for the tougher ones. With all the rain we've had recently, breaking down some larger logs would have been helpful/necessary even if a bountiful supply of mid-sized downfall were at hand. Everything was damp/wet and I don't believe the fire could have burned a lot of our fuel without being whacked down first, esp under a constant rain that alternated between a drizzle and a downpour. If I'm camping somewhere a little more out of the way and I don't have to choose between a long forage and some big logs, then I'll bring my bolo, and if I'm bushwhacking then the Marbles will get the nod. Considering neither of these machetes is intended for bigger hardwood, both kept a respectable edge. Also the 1055 isn't supposed to have the best edge retention, it actually kept a better edge than the 1075 steel through 4x the work. Didn't expect that. I took a bunch of pics, but my phone got wet (did I mention it rained) and none of the pics I took after 1pm on Sat were saved to memory(?)

I bushwhacked around the pond, climbing the high ground to the West of the lean to. Great views and saw plenty of bear scat, a few spots where something heavy had disturbed the moss recently, and plenty of good deep fissures in the exposed rock formations, some of which I'm confident are occasionally occupied.

Considering the hike in is very easy there are a bunch of interesting day hikes in the area, worth a look and I'll mark this location for a trip when the kids get old enough to backpack.

HH
 
I think that what you needed was a longer machete. Those ones are pretty short. ;)
 
I was thinking I needed a heavier one. I do have a CS Panga that I could try out next time...

Panga 19oz 16"
Bolo 18oz 16.5" Listed at 17.3 oz but mine is a touch heavy
Scout 15oz 14"

HH
 
ALL of the CS models (other than their 2-handed ones) are right about the same size. I'd go with a different company. Imacasa/Condor, Hansa, or Martindale would all be good brands to look at for a longer, heavier model. If you really want something to blast heavy targets with check out the 18" Thai Enep Machete or the 20" Tapanga machete by Condor. I'm not just saying that because I sell them, either--I don't care who you buy one from, you want one of those for the heavy stuff. If you don't move to a piece that long, the 15.5" Condor Bolo is an excellent choice, also.

Thai Enep Machete:

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Tapanga:

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A longer blade would've served you well with those larger logs. Consider a 20-24" blade if you think you might need to process larger stuff. I like to keep a shorter 14-16" Machete with me and carry a folding saw to deal with larger stuff if I have to. Saw doesn't add much weight at all and is very handy.
 
ALL of the CS models (other than their 2-handed ones) are right about the same size. I'd go with a different company. Imacasa/Condor, Hansa, or Martindale would all be good brands to look at for a longer, heavier model. If you really want something to blast heavy targets with check out the 18" Thai Enep Machete or the 20" Tapanga machete by Condor. I'm not just saying that because I sell them, either--I don't care who you buy one from, you want one of those for the heavy stuff. If you don't move to a piece that long, the 15.5" Condor Bolo is an excellent choice, also.
Ay Caramba, how heavy are those? My Fiskars axe only weighs a touch over 3lbs and I don't believe any machete can compete with it for pure chopping power.
 
My 18" ESEE Lite Machete chops way better than my CS Bolo. The CS machetes don't have great ergos, and that steel doesn't hold the edge very well, IMO.
A short 12" Ontario Cutlass machete will also outchop the CS Bolo, after you convex the edge of the Cutlass.

If you really want a big knife to chop with, well that's a differnt blade than a machete. Not to mention that you're basing your opinion on very hard wood.
 
My 18" ESEE Lite Machete chops way better than my CS Bolo. The CS machetes don't have great ergos, and that steel doesn't hold the edge very well, IMO.
A short 12" Ontario Cutlass machete will also outchop the CS Bolo, after you convex the edge of the Cutlass.

If you really want a big knife to chop with, well that's a differnt blade than a machete. Not to mention that you're basing your opinion on very hard wood.

To be honest, the CS bolo did what it needed to do, just not well. It did surprise me by holding its edge well despite the reputation of this steel, I must have gotten a better than average heat-treat. I agree about the ergos - out of the box. I totally reshaped the handle to accommodate a better grip and both machetes have nice convex edges. Yes, that task was pretty extreme - they used to make factory floors with American beech, no wonder I've drifted away from the big knives for this type of camping. Even my beloved khukri doesn't concentrate as much mass behind each impact as a hatchet, despite being heavier overall. For anything softer or smaller they work fine and handle other tasks better. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep 'em in mind if I decide to upgrade my machete collection.

HH
 
A machete will never compete with an axe when it comes to dedicated use on thick wood--the advantage of a machete is in its versatility relative to an axe. A machete can chop through dry hardwoods well enough depending on pattern--just not as well as an axe. A machete can fell trees and process firewood--just not as well as an axe. A machete can clear dense foliage, grasses, or brambles--and MUCH better than an axe. A machete can also be used as a drawknife for woodworking or used for more typical knife-like tasks, if you know how to choke up on it right. ;)
 
I used to camp with a khukri, but it couldn't do the bigger wood very well (in my hands/experience). Then I switched to a saw, but that's even more one-dimensional. Finally started working with a hatchet and it seems to do everything I need doing, some things much better than others and some things rather poorly, but not in a way that leaves me sweating. Plenty of folks view them as somewhat useless, but I'm with Nessmuk - for upland camping they're "indispensable".

At my last house where I needed to do all manner of chores I accumulated an extensive collection, crowned by a ditch bank blade that could handle all of my heavy clearing needs, and a corn knife for the lighter stuff. Still used my axe for the bigger wood. With the machetes I'm just experimenting to see what works best for backpacking, and I can see where a very light 12 or 14" machete combined with a quality hatchet will cover all my needs. I'm going to look for something very light - well under a pound, or it just won't be worth the weight. When packing I weigh everything and if I have some extra "hauling capacity" I'm liable to fill it with some better food, a can or two of beer, or spare moccasins instead of somewhat redundant cutters - unless they're so light its easy to justify.
HH
 
It's all about finding what works best for your individual approach and local environment. I find myself rarely having to do dedicated felling or splitting--I'll clear a tree here or there, or do occasional felling/splitting work, but usually I just walk around the trees. Raspberry bushes and thick grass on the other hand...are a little harder to walk around! For me the machete does everything, but if I was doing dedicated felling/splitting work rather than trail clearing I'd take a full-blown axe. :)
 
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