Integral Folders

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My Sebenza is one fine knife. I am glad I purchased it last month. Actually, it's my first real knife! Are there any other knives similar to the Sebenza that are made by other makers as well other than factory production knife companies with the same or even better qualities (if you can get any better that is)?

BK
 
BK,

I personally don't think you can do much better strength-wise than the Sebenza. Other strong,reliable folders I like are the Darrel Ralph apogee and EDC integral lock models as well as the Elishewitz framelock and bolsterlock designs. I am sure there are numerous others but I have experience with these mentioned.

recoil
 
There are several production companies that produce "frame lock" type knives like these models:

Benchmade Pinnacle
Camillus EDC
Outdoor Edge Paragee
CRKT S-2
CRKT KISS, PECK & Sampson's KISS
Kershaw Chive
Kershaw Vapor
 
The Benchmade 750 (Pinnacle) is frequently referred to as the "poor man's" Sebenza. Same basic size. Same Ti slab handles. It is being discontinued by BM so act soon if that's the direction you're going. Good luck with the Sebenza.:)
 
Forum member markusblattner has a website with pictures and listings of integral lock folders made by most of the major manufacturers as well as many custom makers from North America and Europe. It is worth taking a look at, he has a great collection.
 
Cool pics! I forgot abouth the Elishewitz designed Mission folder.
He also has a pic of the Schrade Lake & Walker! :barf:
That one is not my idea of a sturdy folder.
 
I try to avoid liner locks now and prefer framelocks, bolster locks, integrals etc.
My most recent ones are a couple of Bud Westons. Many custom makers who do liner locks will also do integrals if you ask them. Bud, Al Elishewitz and Jason Jacks come to mind.
 
While I've never seen a Sebenza (or any of the other knives mentioned, for that matter), I'm wondering why you fellows apparently think they are so much better than, say, a high-end Spyderco, Emerson, etc.

I admit to not being "up-to-speed" on what's the latest, greatest, etc. But I have been using (as opposed to collecting) knives all of my adult life, first in the military and then in a 23 year (so far) police career, including many many SWAT ops, etc. My point is that the several different Spydercos and BM Emerson copies I've owned and used were fully up to any task asked of them.

I just got a Spyderco Wenger, and it is a very well-made heavy-duty folder; probably the best general-purpose folder I've ever handled. I wish I had bought one years ago. I'm curious as to why you think any of the frame lock knives are "better".

I'm not trying to stir anything up here; just curious.

Steve
 
I am sitting here with a Larry Davidson integral in my pocket... It is pretty well tricked out with inlays, full anodizing, and a recurve blade! Oh and it has the VooDoo roller bearings as well... Serial Number 000! Having owned a sebbie and having disliked the handle I have to say this is one that fits me much better. I call it my Pimp knife. It is chilly! If you get a chance to try one of his integrals out you will like it.

-Sam.
 
I love my Sebenzas and the integral/frame lock has to be one of simplest yet strongest locks available. That is why I also love my Tom Mayo TNT. Think of it as a custom, hand-made Sebenza with a Talonite blade that is rust proof. Like the Sebenza, fit and finish are absolutely perfect and opening is as smooth as greased glass. The TNT has a titanium frame like the Sebbie but unlike the flat slabs of the Sebenza the TNT slabs are rounded (by hand on a belt sander!) The rounded frame along with the Talonite blade are my favorite features of the TNT. It is hard to see the shape of the frame in a photograph but check out www.mayoknives.com and click on the button labeled TNT.

-Steven
 
Steve C -- Your point is well taken. I too am an avid fan of my Wegner. I alternate it with a knife I think may be better for self defense, but I clearly like the Wegner more. It is a damn good knife. It has a very good liner lock, better than many. If the lock should fail, the Wegner is designed with a long, flat ricasso, which is what would come in contact with your fingers, should the lock fail. Not missing digits.

I surprised myself a great deal in early June, when I bought a Sebenza at a knife show. One of my primary reasons was the great price on the knife. But, in addition to that, the action just plain feels different -- and better -- than any other folder I have. You have the feeling that one of the world's better bearings is taking care of things in there.

Many people would rate BG-42 as one of the best steels for folders out there. Chris Reeve uses a different steel on his one-piece survival knives, because of BG-42's tendency to not do well with impact. The blade is ground quite thin. It comes with an edge at least close to that of the Wegner. Most people would agree that the Sebenza has a real edge in knife steel, compared to the Wegner.

The intergral lock is extremely strong. It is kind of like a liner lock on gross levels of steroids. A quite large piece of titanium has to break or bend, before the lock can give. The normal grip actually tends to tighten the lock somewhat. Grit or lint could get inside the lock area, causing it to fail, at least theoretically. So, it isn't perfect. Except for that small item, it is perfect. Liner locks tend to lose it most when subjected to severe sideways torqueing pressures. The Axis and Rolling locks are very strong, but do have springs which could break. The Axis has a double/redundant spring, so has to be regarded as a step above the rolling lock, IMO. Only one lockback knife, of which I'm aware, is up there in the strength range of the Sebenza or Axis lock -- that is the Spyderco Chinook. The new Spyderco compression lock may outdo the Axis or other locks.

Sebenza parts are essentially cut with CNC machines, with tolerances to the 10 thousandth of an inch. They are mostly put together by hand, by experts. Those who grind the blades have only recently taken over from Chris Reeve himself, after years of training. The knife is made to be taken apart and be cleaned. It is very open compared to any knife, far more open than the Wegner. CRK provides the owner with a wrench to dismantle the knife. Most Spydercos would have the warranty violated, if the customer took them apart to work on them.

Both Spyderco and CRK have rightly vaunted customer service. I bought my knife used, yet they've come to my aid on simle problems twice now, no questions asked. Once, they sent me the wrench which should have been with mine, but was not. If you have a problem with a Spyderco, Sal almost always wants the knife sent in to his service and repair people to take a look at it. He is vitally concerned with the quality of his knives, and customer service. Either company, if they find a serious flaw in the original knife, simply send a replacement immediately, or in Spyderco's case, often a knife of equal value, if the model has been discontinued.

There is much more, even tho I've said too much. I really do tend to think that until one experiences the Sebenza, one simply canno understand them much. Buy a used one on the forums. If you don't care for it, you almost certainly can re-sell it with a minimum of loss.
 
Thanks for the replies/explanations. I see that it is one of those "ya gotta be there" things; and I definitely understand THAT concept.

Steve
 
Tanto Version Sebenza? Seen a pic of one somewhere around the internet, but can't seem to locate one to actually see! :confused:

BK
 
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