Integral Steel Spacer - 110

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You guys help me out some here. Or maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet this morning.

My understanding of an integral rear spacer/spring is that it is cast solid to one side of the frame.

I can see this in a couple that I have. These being brass. I understand also that some rear spacer/spring holders are not integral and separate pieces that is pretty obvious by lines and maybe some coloration. Again all brass

So as I was researching a new addition (not 1st version), something jumped on me and I am cornfused.

Top left hand pic on pg 506 of the Blade guide mentions an integral STEEL spacer/spring.

Its talking about the description of a 1st version and does say in the description that it is a separate piece of steel.

So what part of this is integral? Cornfused as usual...

sorry I stuck this in the wrong post first time....
 
Pack Rat said:
You guys help me out some here. Or maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet this morning.

My understanding of an integral rear spacer/spring is that it is cast solid to one side of the frame.

I can see this in a couple that I have. These being brass. I understand also that some rear spacer/spring holders are not integral and separate pieces that is pretty obvious by lines and maybe some coloration. Again all brass

So as I was researching a new addition (not 1st version), something jumped on me and I am cornfused.

Top left hand pic on pg 506 of the Blade guide mentions an integral STEEL spacer/spring.

Its talking about the description of a 1st version and does say in the description that it is a separate piece of steel.

So what part of this is integral? Cornfused as usual...

sorry I stuck this in the wrong post first time....
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This is something that I've pondered myself in the past. It was my thought (perhaps wrongly) that the back spring and spacer were somehow one piece on some models. I think Joe or someone else from Buck would have to clear this up though.
 
Mike Kerins said:
This is something that I've pondered myself in the past. It was my thought (perhaps wrongly) that the back spring and spacer were somehow one piece on some models. I think Joe or someone else from Buck would have to clear this up though.
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Mike, Thats what Trax said also in the other thread I somehow managed to stick this in the first time. ....thanks....

I guess I was channel thinking that integral was like the brass spacers...

So, Mike,,,, we really need pics on this... how bout volunteering yours... :D :rolleyes: :foot:
 
Pack Rat said:
So, Mike,,,, we really need pics on this... how bout volunteering yours... :D :rolleyes: :foot:
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That's not a bad idea...With a good closeup/macro camera setting and lots of lighting, Mike should be able to take a pic of the belly of a 1st version showing the spacer & spring...or spacer/spring...In fact, I think I may try a scan myself on an Idaho 110 just for S&G...

A shot like this (but on a 1st version - and with better lighting) should tell you/us what we want to know... ;)

 
chickentrax said:
That's not a bad idea...With a good closeup/macro camera setting and lots of lighting, Mike should be able to take a pic of the belly of a 1st version showing the spacer & spring...or spacer/spring...In fact, I think I may try a scan myself on an Idaho 110 just for S&G...

A shot like this (but on a 1st version - and with better lighting) should tell you/us what we want to know... ;)

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On the first version the spring spacer is setting on the middle pin.
 
Evil Eye Earl said:
On the first version the spring is setting on the middle pin.
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So it's a long spring, say about 2 1/4 inches, as viewed from the bottom, and flat???

I think I see where that sly old dog Pack Rat is going with this...he's seen a 110 somewhere with a strange looking spring inside the liners, and he's trying to find out if it's a 1st version... ;)

It would be good to know, in case I see one at an antique show, and wonder if it's worth the $75 the vendor is asking for it... :D
 
It looks flat,I've never had one apart and am not where I can get a picture.and it is very thin.
 
chickentrax said:
I think I see where that sly old dog Pack Rat is going with this...he's seen a 110 somewhere with a strange looking spring inside the liners, and he's trying to find out if it's a 1st version... ;)
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I wish,,, nah, I got in what was supposed to be a really, really nice 4th version, and was looking in the guide, when I noticed that " INTEGRAL STEEL" wording on the pic of the 1st version. But the seller somehow in his Perfect condition statement neglected to mention the engraved name on a bolster... I know not to trust poorly focused pics... held true this time.. will be middle knife n next pics, here in a few...
 
chickentrax said:
So it's a long spring, say about 2 1/4 inches, as viewed from the bottom, and flat???

I think I see where that sly old dog Pack Rat is going with this...he's seen a 110 somewhere with a strange looking spring inside the liners, and he's trying to find out if it's a 1st version... ;)

It would be good to know, in case I see one at an antique show, and wonder if it's worth the $75 the vendor is asking for it... :D
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Get all you find for $75,even if the spring is broke.I will give you $5 profit for your trouble.:D
 
Evil Eye Earl said:
Get all you find for $75,even if the spring is broke.I will give you $5 profit for your trouble.:D
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I know you will!! :)

This is as close as I can come to a 1st version. Still need to pratice with camera and lighting.... And this camera brought out something in the pic that you can only see in these hi-res pics or under a jewler loop.... Will talk about that in a bit in another post. This one may fall somewhere in 2nd/3rd version... I havent researched it, or just forgot. More on it later.



click on the thumbnail.... I may get it right yet... my day continues to go downhill
 
Pack Rat said:
I know you will!! :)

This is as close as I can come to a 1st version. Still need to pratice with camera and lighting.... And this camera brought out something in the pic that you can only see in these hi-res pics or under a jewler look.... Will talk about that in a bit in another post. This one may fall somewhere in 2nd/3rd version... I havent researched it, or just forgot. More on it later.

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I'm gonna say 3rd version.
 
Evil Eye Earl said:
I'm gonna say 3rd version.
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You are right Earl,,, more about it later.

Last pic and I will quit beating on this dead horse. Sorry about the fat stag. Was just the handiest new one.
Middle one is a 4th version with brass spacer. Right one is the 3rd version integral spacer

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Pack Rat said:
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My understanding of an integral rear spacer/spring is that it is cast solid to one side of the frame.
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Good question Larry.
I have always just looked at the external rear of the bolster to see the casting style. It's tough sometimes to look internal when a oldie is all dirty and grimy inside.
 
chickentrax said:
That's not a bad idea...With a good closeup/macro camera setting and lots of lighting, Mike should be able to take a pic of the belly of a 1st version showing the spacer & spring...or spacer/spring...In fact, I think I may try a scan myself on an Idaho 110 just for S&G...

A shot like this (but on a 1st version - and with better lighting) should tell you/us what we want to know... ;)
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Give me time to set it up and I'll give it a shot!
 
chickentrax said:
So it's a long spring, say about 2 1/4 inches, as viewed from the bottom, and flat???

I think I see where that sly old dog Pack Rat is going with this...he's seen a 110 somewhere with a strange looking spring inside the liners, and he's trying to find out if it's a 1st version... ;)

It would be good to know, in case I see one at an antique show, and wonder if it's worth the $75 the vendor is asking for it... :D
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A first version has a steel spacer similar looking on the outside to the no dot versions and later.
 
I just had a look at the inside of a first version 110 and the spring is one piece with the steel spacer. The new 110's have a separate spring that sets in place in front of the spacer. I'll try to get some photos up as soon as I can.
 
Here are some photos of the 1st version 110 that shows the rear spacer and the fact that it is one piece with the spring.

 
Mike Kerins said:
Here are some photos of the 1st version 110 that shows the rear spacer and the fact that it is one piece with the spring.
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Mike - Thanks for the pics!!! That is very interesting... :D :thumbup:
 
Yes Mike, Thanks for the interior pic. Definitely different than later versions.
 
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