Intended methods for using the Extreme Duty Pen?

Rolex John

Rolex John

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OK, dumb question I know....but what exactly are the intended methods of using the Extreme Duty pen for self defense?

With most "tactical" pens I've seen/used, it's pretty straight forward - you stab with them, much like you would a knife. But the ED seems to be a bit more sophisticated in it intended use.

Here's a photo from my upcoming review:

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The bulbous pen cap doesn't seem ideal for making a penetrating stab wound using the pen. I've seen/read some vague references that the pen can be used for applying to pressure points and for "compliance techniques." I've no training in this area and have no clue about this type of use.

Now, with the pen cap off, the writing ends seems much more useful for stabbing:

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The writing end tapers and is VERY solid. So I guess if I needed to use this pen defensively (and it would be a VERY bad day if I had to resort to this level of back up) I'd have to first remove the pen cap?

Another other thoughts/recommendations here appreciated.

Here's one more photo...just because I thought it came out well.

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Not for stabbing, more of a "persuasion tool". Think kubaton. Pressure points, soft tissue, target places that are unpleasant and...you get the idea. Huge amount of information on kubatons out there, lots of resources.

If you had to stab, think of an ocular target.
 
google Kubotan...will likely find your answers there.

edit: nutz beaten to the punch lol
 
odd said:
google Kubotan...will likely find your answers there.

edit: nutz beaten to the punch lol
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It's all good, no contribution here is a bad contribution.

I believe Rollie-J is a youtuber, I haven't looked there, but I bet some kubaton videos exist.
 
Thank you as well. You put together some basic information to help the community. Appreciate that and the photos.
I Look forward to any in-depth reviews that you may release in the future.
 
Need2Know said:
Not for stabbing, more of a "persuasion tool". Think kubaton. Pressure points, soft tissue, target places that are unpleasant and...you get the idea. Huge amount of information on kubatons out there, lots of resources.

If you had to stab, think of an ocular target.
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Dead on N2K, RJ as an example CAREFULLY get a volunteer attacker apply your "pen" across the area behind the thumb (fulcrom area as if hand is hitchhiking. An attacker reaching for your wrist (wallet, car keys, cell phone) you quickly take control of his hand and apply pressure across the small bones of the hand OUCH! put him on his knees and have him begging for mercy with about 15 lbs. of pressure. Again, if trying this BE CAREFUL a kubaton applied in correctly can easily do damage requiring surgery to repair. Not toys. But effective.
 
try jabbing that into the trachea of an assailant. just like my mini mag it'll drop em to the ground floppin around like a fish outtta water trying to get air
 
Trachea, eyes, jugular, thigh, wrist, small bones of hand, back of the elbow, solar plexis, temple, strikes to the nose,
List goes on.
Kubatons (especially those concealed as normal daily tools) are very effective weapons in the hands of the trained.
Training (with practice) is fairly easy. Then be ready which is the biggest challenge. Best weapon in the world is useless if unavailable.
I'll take a Kubaton in the hand over an Hk Mp5 at home if I'm at an atm and some punk grabs for my Mickey Mouse watch.
* To ALL, READ and be aware of the Laws regarding self-defense wherever you may be.
Knowing Pa while in Ny - is trouble.
 
RJ,
I really enjoy your photography and this is the knife and blade style I want to buy ... so I know this is a real "Newbe" question but still figuring out the models and blade styles ... in your photo, is that a XM-18 3 or 3.5 inch with a Slicer blade?
Thanks again...
 
I avoided specific examples as to encourage learning by the masses. I don't want to encourage folks to tackle things they don't fully understand. Assault charges can ruin the day, or life.
Improper technique can turn the tables of a struggle against you, and worse yet...if playing around, you can seriously injure someone you care about.
I'll assist on the backside with any additional conversation, etc. but not going to give any greater details on self defense or offensive skills in the public domain.
 
Seeking training definately the best idea, failing that - many have self taught with good results IF Careful. Books in the past, internet with video today. Emphasis on being careful. I'd rather see someone self-teach and maybe save their life or someone they care about then do what most people do, "I'll put it on my To-Do list" and never get around to it. Common sense dictates DO NOT try striking someone in a spot that is life threatening unless your practicing striking with a rolled up napkin.
My suggestion about the hand or thumb isn't going to do anything other than show the value of learning some technique preferably from a credentialled instructor but, I sustained many many bruised battered and broken body parts during "training". It's the nature of the beast.
 
He who stops learning is lost.

Rubi is correct, self-taught is not a bad way to go. Just do your homework.
Study anatomy, understand just how fragile we really are. Education is key, be it from professional instruction, or self disciplined studies. Just please do not look to movies and television for techniques.
 
av8or2 said:
RJ,
I really enjoy your photography and this is the knife and blade style I want to buy ... so I know this is a real "Newbe" question but still figuring out the models and blade styles ... in your photo, is that a XM-18 3 or 3.5 inch with a Slicer blade?
Thanks again...
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Thanks much! That's an XM-18 3.5" with a slicer grind and two-tone finish.
 
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