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dl351

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So, I know this topic has been beat to death, but I found some interesting info. I was curious about what people thought of the Schrade Extreme Survival knife so I watched a YouTube review (not Noss). The reviewer said that Noss' test proved it's better than Reeve's one piece knives. Being an engineer, I decided to search for the hardness of these 1070 steel Schrade knives. The reviewer said 52-54 HRC. I emailed Taylor (Schrade) to find out if this was correct. They just got back to me and said it is. This shows that the lower carbon 1070 is closer to a spring temper than Chris Reeve's A2. This is simply a case where hardness has been sacrificed for impact toughness.

What actually sparked this search for reviews was noticing that Noss said the Project 1 only had coating wear from the hammer, but the Schrade had some small dents.

Also, please don't turn this into a debate. I just wanted to present some information I found that, to me, seems rather interesting.

I read through a few of those Noss threads a while back, didn't care about what he did, bought a Shadow IV a couple weeks ago, and I love that knife!
 
The point is, I've seen people trash talk Chris Reeve's one-piece lineup based on a knife breaking from hammer impacts. These same people praise the cheap Schrade knock-off because it didn't break. My point is that the Schrade may vary well not have broken because it's made of a softer (stated Schrade) steel with lower carbon content than Chris Reeve's A2. Softer steel is generally more impact resistant. Unfortunately, for those who care more about edge holding, softer steel usually sacrifices edge holding.
 
ipm said:
I am not sure what the point is.
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The point is - imitation is the greatest form of flattery. :D

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I don't mean to offend. Tone is not easy to deliver in a text message. I am sorry if I did. :)

I guess I am asking if we think we should defend CRK vs. the Noos commentary.

I like CRK and I own a few (Sebenza, Unumzaan, and like you now a Shadow), BUT I think there may be a point to the trash talking. If there was nothing to it, no matter the reason, it would not be a controversy.

Having said that, you and I did not buy a CRK knife based on the activites of Noos or anyone else.

I believe we bought our CRK's because we like them for some reason or other. It could be middle class ego, curiosity, genuine appreciation, whatever.

Such a purchase does not need to be justified with hardness tests, or any other technical data, nor does it need to be attacked. This would be true if the knives were 10$ or 1000$.
 
Oh, no offense taken at all. I understand that it's hard to understand tone in text.

For me, I've read in more reviews than I'd like say that the knock-off is really hard or in the high 50's HRC. This can be misleading because, well, it's not. I've verified this through the manufacturer and I thought it might be interesting to people who have wondered about comparisons to the Reeve knives. It's been stated before that anyone can make a spring tempered knife that can be beat on with a hammer. That seems to be the case here.

As for my purchase of a Shadow IV, true, it had nothing to do with what critics said. Someday I'd like to get an Umnumzaan. It'll be a while, though. The Shadow IV has been my most expensive knife purchase!
 
TAH, do you have that one-piece with the tool kit? If so, how do you like that?
 
dl351 said:
TAH, do you have that one-piece with the tool kit? If so, how do you like that?
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dl351,

Nope, I have a Mountaineer 1 & 2. I'm a single guard kind of guy. :D

I just used the Nkonka photo since that's probably the model that Schrade copied.

Good post, BTW! :thumbup:
 
Yeah, I would have preferred a single guard knife, but my preference for a spear point overtook that. Once I got my Shadow IV, I realized that the top guard didn't get "in the way" as much as I thought it might. Needless to say, I'm very happy with my purchase. It's a shame that these knives are soon to be finished. Hopefully something new and exciting replaces them!
 
dl351,

Did you considered any other one piece prior to purchasing the Shadow IV? I have the Mountaineer II but still want to get the Shadow IV. What is your opinion?
 
dl351 said:
Yeah, I would have preferred a single guard knife, but my preference for a spear point overtook that. Once I got my Shadow IV, I realized that the top guard didn't get "in the way" as much as I thought it might. Needless to say, I'm very happy with my purchase. It's a shame that these knives are soon to be finished. Hopefully something new and exciting replaces them!
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Don't doubt your selection. The Shadow IV is probably the most popular model of the One Piece Knives. I understand your appreciation for the strong spear point and like you implied, the top guard is small. :thumbup:
 
At the time of the noss tests, I had 6 CRK One Piece Knives. I now have 17 of them and counting. The noss tests did nothing to make me doubt CRK Quality. Every knife that is successful is bound to be coppied. How many BUCK 110 Copy's and clones are out there ??? None are as good as the original. Its a product of the 110's success. Chris has been making the One Piece Line for 28 Years. He has sold thousands and thousands. So by another company copying his, its only a compliment to Chris's Success.
 
I havnt got one of the 1 piece line up mainly because I focus on a different brad for my fixed blades. That being said, I think they look like great knives, and I really like d2 as well
 
hbui said:
dl351,

Did you considered any other one piece prior to purchasing the Shadow IV? I have the Mountaineer II but still want to get the Shadow IV. What is your opinion?
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I did consider the Mountaineer II, but the spear point of the Shadow IV was more appealing than the half guard of the Mountaineer II. As for the Shadow IV, I don't have any other one-pieces to compare it to, but I love it! I'm in college and haven't had much time to give it a try, but it meets and exceeds my initial expectations. Part of me, though, would still actually like one of the Skinners! The Shadow IV just seemed a bit more all purpose than that.

My recommendation? If you can afford to get the Shadow IV, then buy it. I hate wanting a knife for so long that it gets discontinued and too expensive to afford. This has happened to some SOG knives that I really like. I think it's best to purchase knives while they're still being made. Just my 2 cents.:D
 
nyefmaker said:
At the time of the noss tests, I had 6 CRK One Piece Knives. I now have 17 of them and counting.
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Good grief! As much as I love my Shadow IV, I think I'd have to sell off all other knives I own just to own 6 CRK one piece knives, let alone 17!:eek:

If I can find a Skinner down the road (and can afford it), I'd like to get one of those, too.
 
dl351 said:
Good grief! As much as I love my Shadow IV, I think I'd have to sell off all other knives I own just to own 6 CRK one piece knives, let alone 17!:eek:

If I can find a Skinner down the road (and can afford it), I'd like to get one of those, too.
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Thats how my CRK collection got so big. The umnumzaan made it 30 CRK. BUT, I had to sell nearly all my other knives and items I no longer use to buy them. Thank God for ebay........lol. And I am sure my collection will continue to grow :D I will have to take an update pic as I no longer have some of the ones I took a pic of awhile ago................I highly recommend the skinner. I have it already sharpend up for hunting season and look to try it out. I am sure it will perform great........The Shadow IV is one of my favorites, I really like the spear points !!!
 
I was using CRKs before I saw a hammer being taken to one with no problems at all.

I use OPKs alot when I'm out in the bush and they are just great. The single guard
Mtnr 1 and 2 are up there with my vavorite fixed blade users of all time :thumbup:

That last knife I bought was actually a second Mtnr 2 ;)
 
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